Amy Adler, CPA & host of the Money to Meaning podcast
💥 What if money was never meant to be separate from our spiritual path?
In this episode, we talk with Amy Adler - a CPA who brings a soul-centered perspective to how we earn, spend and relate to money. Her grounded approach creates space for honest reflection, trust, energy and alignment.
We explore how early experiences shape our money story, how fear and intuition can both show up in our choices, and what it looks like to walk a path that honors both practical reality and soul truth. Amy also shares her own journey of redefining success and learning to follow the inner nudges of spirit in her work.
Our conversation invites a new relationship with money that feels more authentic and inspired.
Highlights:
💸 What early experiences shape the way we relate to finances as adults?
🌱 How Amy’s spiritual awakening changed the way she viewed success, work & wealth.
🧘♀️ What happens when you pause & ask your intuition before making financial decisions?
🛠️ How can you shift from survival mode to a more soul-aligned way of earning & spending?
📊 The balance of structure & spirit - how Amy integrates practical accounting with spiritual awareness.
🎯 Can we reframe financial goals to reflect values like freedom, integrity & purpose instead of just numbers?
🔢 How can numerology be used as a supportive tool in financial services?
💼 What Amy learned in her journey from corporate accounting to soul-led entrepreneurship.
🌟 What does it really mean to be financially sovereign while staying connected to your spiritual path?
🙏 How can gratitude transform the experience of spending money from fear into flow?
💫 What does it mean to be in “right relationship” with money and how can that support both personal growth and collective healing?
AMY ADLER is an awakened CPA, Certified Fraud Examiner, Certified Divorce Financial Analyst & 2x divorcee. After an accounting career in several industries including healthcare, electric power & divorce among others, Amy has seen the bigger picture of how the broken systems in our country are holding us back from living the sovereign lives our souls truly desire. Her mission is to show others how to create new systems based in personal sovereignty that are protected from the pain caused by the old systems that no longer serve humanity for its highest good. Check out Amy’s divorce offerings: https://yourdivorceasset.com/ Watch Amy’s podcast Money to Meaning on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Money2Meaning
TIANNA ROSER is an Usui Reiki Master Teacher, Soul Plan Practitioner & Certified Clinical Hypnotist specializing in Past Life Regression, Life Between Lives Regression & QHHT. https://www.awakeningtransformation.com. 💖 Her book “Awakening Transformation: A Beginner’s Guide to Becoming Your Higher Self” is filled with practices to lighten your spiritual journey & accelerate growth: https://www.amazon.com/Awakening-Transformation-Beginners-Becoming-Higher/dp/1737705303
NICOLE PARISH is a a gifted International Psychic and Medium. She offers both in-person & zoom readings, connecting clients with their spirit guides, helpers, and departed loved ones, as well as entity & attachment releasing and home clearings. Check out her Intuitive Development, group readings & other events. https://www.nicoleparish.com/
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TRANSCRIPT
Tianna: [00:00:00] Welcome, Amy. This is so fun because Amy has a podcast
called Money To Meaning that Nicole has been on. And then, Amy and I were
just talking not very long ago, earlier today on her podcast, money To Meaning,
so I'll definitely put those links in, the show notes. And Amy, you end your
podcast. You said you ask every guest what does money to meaning mean to
you?
And then after I was sitting, I was like, I really want to know what it means to
Amy. So you end your podcast that way, and I want to start our podcast today
that way and ask you, what does money to meaning mean to you?, And why did
you create your podcast?
Amy: I love that question. So I'm in process right now of starting , a new
business which will be my second business.
And it's all around the concept of applying more meaningful activities to life, to
be able to, earn money doing [00:01:00] the things that we love, and to be able
to focus our attention on the things that are meaningful rather than on making
another dollar. And the slogan or catchphrase that kept coming to my mind as I
was speaking with my business partner about developing the company was we
are trying to bridge the gap between money.
Meaning. And so that is what really helped me birth the title of the podcast,
money To Meaning. It really is very broad, and what's been really amazing has
been all of the different guests that I've had on the podcast so far have given
really similar, yet different perspectives of what their interpretation of the
podcast title is for them too.
And they're all right. They're all exactly what I had in mind when I created it.
So really, it's been so much fun to get that started.
Tianna: Yeah, I love that you want to bridge that gap, and especially of course,
this is a spiritual podcast, and so people who are [00:02:00] listening to this are
in some way on a spiritual journey.
I think most people that listen would resonate with that. And in the past, a lot of
times those things seemed totally different like this. Path of meaning andpurpose seemed to be opposite of this path of money. And a lot of spiritual
people really struggle with that and have a challenge . Like, I just want to be
here, living my purpose, and yet I have to survive.
I think it's so important that we do bridge that now and not see those as two
opposite things, but find a way to merge them together, spirit and matter. That is
our journey here as a human, is to awaken and remember our spirituality while
doing the human thing and embracing that is a beautiful thing, part of the
process instead of a hindrance.
Amy: Yes, exactly. I love it. And it feels as if spiritual businesses and folks who
are in the [00:03:00] spiritual realm are really great at living in that
consciousness that's a little higher vibration than the third dimensional life that
the vast majority of earth is still living in. And what money does is kind of
offers a way for us to live in both at the same time.
Nicole: And when I think of money to meaning, the meaning part to me feels
like what are someone's values? Where's their integrity, their moral compass,
their what you were talking about Tianna with their purpose in life. And for a
lot of people, their purpose in life isn't actually linked to their profession.
And then there are people who, it is, like, for me, I'm a psychic medium Tianna,
for all three of us. Our purpose in life is linked to what we're bringing to the
world, how we are being of service to the world. And we happen to make
money through that. And so it's just this interesting thing of how each person
feels their meaning in their life.
And if money is one of the [00:04:00] pathways that we can bring our meaning
out into the world, if that makes sense, we can use different pathways to express
our meaning or purpose to the world. And money can be a big way to that.
Amy: Yes. And I think, in other words, what you're kind of alluding to is that
there's meaning in the inflow of money and how we bring it in.
And there's also very powerful meaning in the outflow and where we give it.
Tianna: Can you talk more about that? Yeah. That's such an important point
that we a lot of times don't focus on.
Amy: Yeah. So a couple of thoughts come to mind. One is that I really view the
exchange of money as being an act of gratitude.That, even when you might not be really all that excited about paying your
electric bill every month, and you think, I don't have any choice about this. I
have to pay this bill, but I'm really grateful that I have lights on in the dark and
I'm really grateful here, in the middle of Texas.
In the summer, I'm really grateful that I have, , air conditioning, right? And so
[00:05:00] paying that electric bill is essentially. An expression of gratitude for
having those luxuries available to us and getting to use that. So there's that piece
of the outflow being that you're expressing your gratitude. And if you can focus
on that, then it feels less scary, or that risk of lack feels a lot less there because
you're just really thankful for what you got.
And you're expressing that with a gift, which is green, it's money. And so in
addition to that, there's also the whole investment side of things where when we
put our money into our retirement accounts and our brokerage accounts, we buy
stocks, we buy bonds, whatever it is, we are telling that organization that we're
investing in, that we approve of the way that they.
Are in the world. And so it's really valuable to choose your investments wisely
based on where your values really are. If [00:06:00] you value just making a lot
of money, then great, you can invest in the market in some diversified portfolio
that's aggressive or you can really be thoughtful, mindful about what companies
you're investing in and what their business practices are.
Are they treating their employees well? Do they pay people well? Are they
outsourcing things overseas to be able to reduce costs? Although, who knows if
the tariffs will allow that to continue? But it really is an important thought
process to go through so that we really are putting meaning behind this giving
and receiving of money.
Tianna: Yeah, I think there's, a lot more awareness that's been coming around
that in the last few years where people also are using their purchasing power as
a way to protest if a company is not doing things that are with integrity or
aligned with their values, people are using their purchasing power in that way.
, So I think that,, [00:07:00] investing our money and investing our time and
attention, we have to think of it the same way as this is our empowerment and
where we placing it and is it aligned with our highest truth. In some ways that
sort of feels like, oh my gosh, that's a lot of work. In other ways I think,, it's
getting easier to do that, it's just sort of a shift that we have to make and it's
gonna get easier in time as we practice that.Amy: Yes, for sure. And you're right, it can be a lot of work and it can be
overwhelming. And part of what I'm working to do is to make that less
overwhelming and a little bit easier of a process to go through so
Nicole: that,
Amy: you know, we're moving towards a more transparency based society,
which is mm-hmm. Great.
So that way we have more information available to us, but how do we
synthesize that and make decisions based on that? , That can be overwhelming.
So that is one of the areas that we're trying to develop and offer people more
information about in this new [00:08:00] venture.
Tianna: Yeah. Tell us more about your new venture so people can understand
what you are creating because, it's Aquarian in nature and revolutionary I think,
we talk about this a lot on this podcast, about this big spiritual shift that we're
going through that we all chose to incarnate here for on the planet.
And it seems like you have a particular role to play for that.
Amy: Yeah, so my background is in accounting. I'm a CPA and a fraud
examiner, and I come from the corporate accounting world and then moved into
the health insurance and government programs world. And then I've moved into
the divorce world. And so, in all of those spaces in the financial work that I've
done.
I've been able to see firsthand just how broken the systems are that are quote
unquote, supporting people in those realms. The health insurance system is
beyond broken healthcare, health insurance. They [00:09:00] really connect
them both. They're this one and the same. The divorce family law space is also
incredibly broken, and even more broadly, the whole government legal system
is very broken.
You can tell because of how polarized we are as a society. People are like, won't
even be friends with each other anymore if they have different beliefs about
different political parties or different. Candidates. And so what I've done is I've
taken a look at pretty much all of the systems , that are either controlling us or
that we're navigating in today's society, and I'm creating educational materials
to help people learn how to become self-sovereign by disengaging from those
systems and building a bit of a protective bubble around ourselves so that as
they start to fall away, we don't have to worry because we've already created ourown little independent, self-sufficient systems to take care of ourselves and our
families and our [00:10:00] communities regardless of what those systems do.
Nicole: Can you give us an example of what it looks like to be self-sovereign
from health insurance? I.
Amy: That's my favorite one. I'm so glad
Tianna: you asked that.
Nicole: Yeah.
Tianna: She's a psychic. She read that in your mind and
Nicole: or I've heard you talk about it a lot and I'm fascinated with it.
Amy: Or a little of both. Yeah. Thank you.
Yes, both.
Say both. Yeah. So traditional health insurance, ridiculously expensive.
Whether it's paid for by the employer or by the individual who's covered, it's
still a lot of money. Right? And it's still the employee or the person's money
that's going to the health insurance company, whether the employer pays it or
the person so anybody who has a health insurance plan we'll say 500 as a
minimum, right?
So we'll just use that one as our example. So think $500 a month is coming out
of your pocket and going to the insurance company's pocket. That's $6,000 a
year going to the insurance [00:11:00] company, okay? And that insurance
covers, you've got a what, $25 copay to see the doctor. You've got a $200 copay
to go to the emergency room.
So people think, oh, well it's not worth it for me to go without insurance
because I want to be able to pay $25 to go to the doctor. Well, if you go to the
doctor, it might cost, maybe it's even 200. Okay. So to go see a general
physician or even some specialist charge $200 for their fees, that's not all that
outrageous in today's society.Nicole: I've had insurance and recently went without insurance and it was $50
and I was so surprised. I was like, I'm paying hundreds of dollars every month
and all this time I could have done 50.
Amy: So if you are a self-pay patient, a lot of physicians will offer a self-paid
discount because then they don't have to file the claim. They don't have to deal
with all that admin. You just walk into the doctor, you get your service, you
pay, and you go just like any other store.
So they don't [00:12:00] have as much overhead cost , and they can give you a
discount.
. And so if you add this up over time, this is how we get to a place where we are
saving money by not having health insurance.
Tianna: Honestly, like my eyes just start to glaze over when we talk about that
kind of stuff. , Which there's a time and place for sure.
Amy: What the explanation is about is when you take control over these things,
then you are no longer, a slave to. The health insurance industry that is dictating
how you can get care and who you can get care with and how much they'll pay
and how much you pay.
So the spiritual part of it's that sovereignty that's like if we can get control over
our own life, then we are able to be free , to surrender to this upgrade that we're
gonna get that will offer a whole new set of possibilities to our lives.
Tianna: I think it's really interesting, as I'm talking really big picture, as far as
like the intention of souls incarnating on [00:13:00] earth to grow and evolve
through lifetimes.
When I think of this sovereignty piece, it's kind of like when we were children
and our parents took care of us and we didn't have to think anything about, and
then we grow up and then we have to become sovereign and then we have to
figure it all out on our own. And then I think of that in terms of a soul's
evolution.
If maybe on the planet, evolutionary wise, initially we needed all of these
systems, that were sort of taking care of us, like children in a way. But now
have we evolved enough in our consciousness that we can finally,, choose to
become self-sovereign like you're talking about because in some way too, I see
this.With, the kind of practitioners like Nicole and I are, , for the most part it's not,
regulated by the government the way that, a massage therapist is. And some
people don't like that because they're like, oh, I want someone to tell me who is
safe to go to. , But I like to push back on that and be like, oh no, but this is good
because it's teaching us [00:14:00] how to discern, , how do I know who's a
good psychic medium?
I'm gonna, do my research. I'm gonna ask around, I'm gonna talk to the psychic
medium and see if it feels right. And so there's a lot of, effort in becoming
sovereign where we have to take this responsibility to learn these things and it's
going to allow us to be, finally , fully free and in our highest potential.
Amy, do you think that that was spiritually divinely by design, or do you think
it's just kind of happened that way?
Amy: Yes. I absolutely think that we've evolved to a place where we are ready
for it. And it's because you can tell , that every generation has pushed back just
a little bit more and opened up the doors to a little bit more freedom.
In fact, I think about, my ancestors. I have Jewish descent coming from Russia
over to the United States to be free to have freedom, right? But that freedom is
not what I would consider to be freedom today. But many [00:15:00]
generations ago it was. And so you can see that with each generation there's like
a little bit more opening up to allowing the self to have more freedom and
control and yeah, that it is absolutely, without a doubt, part of that spiritual
evolution and growth that we've been experiencing.
Nicole: So you mentioned evolution and growth and thinking about your CPA.
You work in securities, you work with divorce realm and a lot of very, very
head areas , and math and, those aren't my realms, but you were in this realm.
So I'm curious about your personal spiritual evolution.
Amy: Well, thank you for asking that, Nicole. Alongside my accounting career,
I've also been a member of the clergy, since pretty much my teens. So after I
became bat mitzvah at age 13, my congregation asked me to start tutoring other
[00:16:00] children and helping them through their experience.
And so I have been a leader, in the spiritual community and mine for many
years too. And so, interestingly enough, my spiritual evolution started in a place
where my career and my spiritual life were entirely separate. I felt that
accounting, like I had to put on a completely different hat when I would wakeup in the morning and go to work, but then come Friday night than I would be a
different person.
, And now I'm able to integrate that a lot more. And I think a lot of that came
online and became more obvious to me how the two could be intersecting. And
I don't mean Judaism 'cause I'm no longer, I don't consider myself religious at
all. I just mean spirituality. At the time of my spiritual awakening, when my
second divorce finalized and I had this voice speak to me in a yoga class, it was
like the light switch went on that.
Oh, I could be doing [00:17:00] something in my work that's meaningful and
that I could be feeling more connected to a higher power in that way and to my
higher self. And that it just really from that point, and that was seven years ago
now. So from that point on was really when the light bulbs started continuing ,
to go on.
Tianna: What did the voice say?, what you said? Was that what the voice said
or did it say No?
Amy: The voice said that I needed to use my professional expertise and my
personal experience to help people through divorce.
Nicole: Wow. Intrigued right away , by the voice. I'm so glad you asked that.
Tianna, who do you think the voice was or what?
Amy: I think it was a spirit guide.
Tianna: Hmm hmm. Beautiful. And have you heard the voice since then? Or
was it like a one time thing?
Amy: I don't hear voices anymore. I just have thoughts. I have ideas. Mm-hmm.
I'm very heady, like Nicole just said, it's the Capricorn moon in me, I'm sure.
Tianna: But that's so cool. 'cause I think so many people [00:18:00] want to
have this like powerful life-changing moment like that where the voice comes in
and then directs them in this new path.
That's like the beautiful classic sort of awakening experience that so many
people want to have
Nicole: I do feel veryTianna: blessed. Oh,
Nicole: I go ahead To be a highly driven person that when you get an idea in
your head, you are going for it., All in energy wise, thought wise, time-wise.
How has this process been for you?
When you hear this voice in yoga class seven years ago and you were in a very
heady realm and your spirituality, your connection with something outside of
yourself happened starting Friday nights and not in this business world, how has
it been for you creating this new business that has this meaning component,
Amy: it was easy because it just felt right and the money just started showing
up. [00:19:00] So all of the things that I feared. Went away. 'cause it didn't,
none of them happened. In fact, I've done way better than I ever did in the
corporate world as a business owner myself. So when I focused on the meaning,
which is the whole money to meaning concept, when I focused on the meaning,
all the 3D things showed up, all the 3D things that I needed, like money showed
up.
And the rest of it has been so smooth and easygoing that I've learned that my
gut instinct is trustworthy.
Tianna: Mm-hmm.
Amy: And I can hear it a lot more so now than I ever was able to before that
pivotal moment in the yoga class, which by the way, I did leave the class early
because I was so excited.
I jumped up and I went and I started researching because that's what I do. But
I'm learning now seven years later, I'm learning now, to go with the flow more.
Tianna: What you shared before about, wearing one hat [00:20:00] during the
day, how the money and meaning were separate and then having a different one.
I think so many people resonate with that, right? Again, like we're saying how
their money and their meaning are separate. And so do you have words of
advice or wisdom to share with people? Who do want to make that leap, who do
want to cross over, but are afraid , I'm pretty sure it's not gonna be necessarily
smooth for everyone the way it was for you, , or maybe you had little challenges
or little struggles if you think back, but what are some words of advice that you
have for people?Amy: Yeah. There were definitely challenges. By the way, I don't mean to
suggest that I experienced none and it was smooth sailing from day one, but yes,
generally speaking, it was easy for me to trust because as soon as I was able to
get to that place of realization and acceptance that this is my path, it just felt
easier.
It was like I was no longer swimming upstream. And , I think the advice that I
do give to [00:21:00] people when I have these conversations with them, in fact,
I do have these conversations a lot with my divorcing clients who are also going
through spiritual awakening like crazy in those moments. But they're in a place
of major fear 'cause they just don't know how they're going to get to the place
that they're feeling pulled or called to go.
And what I always tell them is. You have to just trust. Everything is always
working. I love Abraham Hicks who always says, everything is always working
out for me, so repeat that, right? Remember that that's true. You've never lived
on the street, you've never been without food. You've never had time in your
life that you have not had the things, the basics that you need.
And so trust that that will continue to appear for you if you're following your
calling and do it like it's okay to be afraid. We're all afraid when we start, but
we have to start, otherwise we never get to the finish line. Trust.
Tianna: Yeah. That's such a core part of the spiritual [00:22:00] journey., I
personally think there's a reason why sometimes people are like,, why isn't it
just evident that, , spirit source, whatever you want to say,, or our souls, why
isn't it just evident that it's exists?
, Why do we have to go through? But I really think that that's the whole thing.
That's the hero's journey and so forth, is that it's not evident and there's just , a
trust leap that we have to make or trust fall, or however you want to say it.
There's that and there's discernment and those two things are really core.
So. In that we grow so much through, following , that feeling that we learn to
tune into that happens within, whether it's a actual voice that speaks to us or
whether it's, a vision or whether that's just a inner feeling, inner knowing that
trust is so important. I think right now that we are seeing, and we're going to
continue seeing the old system falling apart and collapsing, and I think that
people used to have trust in that.
And [00:23:00] sometimes that makes it easier because,. When I was younger,
you used to think that your company was gonna, employ you for all of your lifeand take care of your needs. And our parents, a lot of them maybe had pensions,
like that barely exists anymore at all.
That was the old American dream, is that you get hired and then this company
takes care of you and your family for all of your life. And some people still
have that mentality thinking like, oh, it's safe to stay with my company. It's
stability. But actually I think a lot of people don't anymore.
Right? Because you realize , oh, they can just suddenly do a round of layoffs, or
now they're gonna use AI instead of you. And in some ways that's sad, but in
other ways it's kind of good because it sort of pushes people out of the nest,
right? And now we have to learn how to fly. And the trust is really trust in our
own higher self.
Amy: Absolutely. Yeah. And you're just speaking to some of that evolution too
from generations back that we were just talking about that Yeah, that the
pensions, the [00:24:00] familial, the long-term, relationships with an employer
for your entire career. Like, we don't have that anymore. And , that's been part
of our evolution that we are now following more.
I mean, we've been forced to, because like you said, there's a lot of layoffs, and
other things coming from the outside, but from within, people are more
motivated to jump ship when they're not happy and do something else, you
know? And so they are really growing generationally , to follow more of their
heart's desires.
Nicole: So , is part of what you offer people helping them work through their
own money beliefs, their own money. Like non-truths or, non-coherent beliefs
and helping them heal that or shift that or helping them see more of what the
truth is in a situation.
Amy: To an extent, I don't personally feel called to do , that healing work
individually with people one-on-one, but part of what the business is intending
to do [00:25:00] is to help people with resources for the things that they need
help with in order to be able to ready themselves to take the steps. The way that
I'm seeing it is that we have to do the spiritual work first to feel.
Ready and worthy of the practical steps that we have to take to gain that
sovereignty. So it's like, let me help identify where those blocks are. I'll give
you the resources to heal those things. And then you can come back to work on
the practical steps, the how to to get to the next level.Nicole: So when someone comes to you, are you sitting down with them with
their computer and saying, let's look at your health insurance.
Let's look at where you put your money into stocks. Let's look at this and this or
let's look at your job. What are you helping them with when they come to you?
Amy: I'm helping them with resources right now. So I'm not doing one-on-one
work. What I'm doing is creating online self-study [00:26:00] educational
materials.
'cause my goal is also to empower them with the self sovereignty, , to engage in
the process as they feel ready. And. Motivated to do so I'm offering, here's a
webinar on this. Here's a webinar on this topic. Here's another webinar on this
topic to help you identify the things. Here's the resources to help you address
the blocks, and then here's the next set of educational materials for the next
steps.
Tianna: And you were a member of the Cosmic Mastermind with Nicole and
myself last year. And so I know like this year, this new venture continues to
evolve. , I know at one point maybe you were considering sort of, helping the
financial practitioners shift their mindset. Is it more about the end user or is it
also about kind of like creating this shift in, these traditional services that have
been doing things the same way forever and awakening their consciousness
could you share a little more [00:27:00] about that?
Amy: It's both. Mm-hmm. So there's two different communities or groups of
people that I'm approaching. One is the general public, every adult human really
who's, ready developmentally , to go to this place. And then the financial
services professionals, what I'm trying to do with them is inject spirituality into
their business by teaching them how to understand their clients on a deeper
level with things like human design, numerology, gene keys, astrology, like all
the different tools that we have available to us that are bridges between the
spiritual realm and the practical human realm.
3D, so that they can learn how to advise their clients more in alignment with
their client's path, their intended path, rather than just. Taking, for example, a
real estate agent is gonna help somebody buy a house. Well, that's great, but. Do
[00:28:00] you know much about the client other than what they're telling you is
their budget and the area that they want to live in?Usually not. So it's helpful for them to understand more about, well, is there
human design, the type that needs to be free to travel more and how do they
make decisions? So can you ask questions like, what do you think about that?
How do you feel about that? What does your gut tell you? Like that's how the
human design element can help in improve the quality of the conversations to
get the answers that they need.
And also it helps the agents, and real estate is just an example of many, but
financial services. But then , they can actually help to more quickly guide the
client to the right fit for the right asset that they're looking for based on the
energetic information from those tools.
Tianna: So I'm oversimplifying, but if there were a scale of one to 10 of
[00:29:00] where we're at, ,, I guess we'll use the US because of course every
country's gonna have a little bit of a different system, even though there's
probably some, similar things across many countries.
But where we're at in terms of this shift that we're needing to make with,
bringing money and meaning together and bringing this new consciousness into
our financial systems. Where would you say we're at on a scale of 10 being
where you want it to go and one being at the very beginning of that, where are
we at now in your estimation?
And where do you think we can get maybe in our lifetimes? What do you think
is possible as far as how much that can shift in our lifetimes?
Amy: I think we're at a two right now, out of 10 on that scale. I think there's a
lot I. To do a lot. , The financial services industry is very saturated. There's a lot
of people in these businesses and , most of them don't have these skill sets to be
able to truly help their client.
A lot of 'em don't care. They're just focused on making money, which is,
coming from the history that still needs their own individual healing on. But
[00:30:00] then they also just don't know what questions to ask and how to get
the information and how to have the right conversations with their clients to be
able to advise them better.
And even like in the financial advisory realm, I have talked to so many financial
advisors who have no idea what to do with me. When I want to invest based on
my values, like they just don't know how to do that. It's just not a skillset that
they have been taught. So we are really, really far away from it.However, the good news is, I think we will absolutely be there in our lifetime.
Nicole: Wow. Absolutely. Mm-hmm. That's a huge shift from two to 10, 8, 9,
10. Huge. What would be , for someone listening, some of the first steps a
person could do in shifting their mindset from making money to paying bills
making, which is very, very important, but making money for having that
meaningful aspect part and that spiritual connection.
Amy: One of the first steps that they can [00:31:00] do is to go within and ask
themselves. What's holding them back from being able to live fully authentic
life in alignment with what feels right to them or what they want, list all the
things they're gonna come out with. Some things that are practical 3D level,
like, I don't have enough money, or, this is too expensive, or there's not enough
hours in the day.
And then the more things that start coming out are like, my parents aren't gonna
accept me, or other things are gonna be deeper and that are layered. So, it's a
process, it's gonna be an onion that has a lot of layers to peel away, but that's
what I believe is the first step is to find out what's holding you back from living
your most authentic life today, right in this very moment.
Why can't you?
Tianna: Yeah. We all need to be regularly asking ourselves that for sure. So
since you've been on this journey, I'm guessing you've probably looked for
others that are doing something [00:32:00] complimentary or similar. I'm
curious what you found. Are there other projects that people are doing that are a
lot, like you're saying, is there some, , website where people who want to invest
in meaning can go , 'cause I know there's websites that, check like charities and
where the money goes.
So I would imagine that there's something like that for investments that would
show that kind of stuff. Or , are there other types of projects out there that are
sort of aligned or complimentary to what you're doing?
Amy: Nicole once told me in a session that I am the lone ranger.
And yes, , I have yet to find I'm sure there are people out there who are like me.
I can't find them yet. I haven't found them yet. We're calling them out
Tianna: now.Amy: Yes, yes. I'm calling them To me, yes. I have been looking for my tribe
for quite some time now. I need other people who are coming up with ways to
get around the systems, but also just who are invested in the spiritual growth of
the whole planet.
Yeah. Yeah. And this is a big undertaking.
Tianna: It [00:33:00] is. It's about that, , community. Yeah. You're gonna need
a lot of that. I'm sure there are other people, but Yeah. Where to find them. How
to find them. Call them in. So how has it been then trying to introduce these
ideas into people with this kind of old world thinking in the financial services?
Amy: Oof. Yeah. If ever I felt like the black sheep, I'm definitely the black
sheep in my family. I am absolutely the black sheep in the whole financial
services world. It has been an interesting challenge. However, I have come
across some people, several, as a matter of fact, who have been very curious and
open to the things that I have to say.
I have to be really careful about the manner in which I communicate the points
that I'm trying to make. But if I choose my words carefully, I can relate to them
on a level that they're ready for, and most people are ready for something
different. They're angry enough. [00:34:00] Society and all the things that have
gone wrong, that they're ready to look at life differently than they have been.
They just don't know where to go and where to start. So if I'm that person who's
the first one that they come across who's speaking on a level that they're ready
to hear, then I know that immediately from talking with them. And I can feel
that in a room if that's the general energy. So I will tailor my speaking to that
type of group.
And,, they're curious. When , I talk about on Facebook a lot, the brokenness of
the systems and ideas that I have for ways that we can get around them, , I put
the information out there just a little bit just to get some feedback and see what
people think. And every single time there are people who are like, yes, I'm
already doing that, or others are like, wow, I hadn't thought about it that way.
And then of course there's some people who are like, you're crazy, Amy. You
need to be committed. But most of them , are not saying that. Most of them are
really, open to the idea. And it's really encouraging 'cause I [00:35:00] do think
that , that's a really good sign.
Nicole: And Tianna, I don't know if you've had this in your business.I know I've had it in mine where years ago when I get clients, they were already,
let's just say woo woo clients, they were already open to the spiritual realms,,
open to past lives and maybe intuitive themselves. And now I'm getting more
and more clients who are heads of companies. Who are very much in the
business realms.
And some clients they'll get a session from their office and they need to speak
really quietly because they are in the corporate world. I'm getting more and
more corporate clients who are hearing just the buzz in the air of like, it's okay
to go to a hypnotherapist or a past life regression or a psychic.
And they feel called to do that. And so that also , gets me thinking about people
in the corporate world or maybe very money focused,, having more openness to,
oh, maybe money is different, or My relationship to money can change
[00:36:00] from what it used to be in the past. I was doing it because I was told
to do it this way and it just doesn't feel right anymore.
It just doesn't sit in my body well anymore. So I want something different. So
they're coming to me, to Tianna to you, Amy, to all sorts of people to be able to
have this new perspective.
Tianna: Yeah, and , of course we're here in Austin, there's a big tech industry,
and I think tech is a little bit more alternative than other types , and so they do
meditation, they do, psilocybin or right microdosing or things like this.
And in a way then that broadens out into the venture capitalists or, so where
somebody might. Do one of these types of things and it opens their
consciousness and then they can bring that into their startup or something. I
think that is going to happen more broadly. And I am also curious,, as
somebody who enjoys astrology, like some of the big shifts [00:37:00] that are
happening, the outer planets that have a big effect on the collective, like
Neptune, which is our, most mystical spiritual planet.
Just moving into Aries, which is all about like taking action if there are gonna
be more of these things, being initiated now into new projects and ideas and
people taking action on these spiritual ideas in all sorts of different ways. So I
do feel sort of excited and hopeful about that and.
I do agree, I think you said this earlier, Amy, that we're all so polarized on the
planet. However, when I think of how polarized we are in the US I think we all
mostly agree that our systems are broken. So on that one thing, we can all come
together and say yes, but we all pretty much agree., Like you said, all of our major, systems are broken and most people can agree
on that. It's just, , who's willing to, , take action on it. Most people are just in a
hopelessness place, like, oh, we've tried everything, but they're thinking of oh,
we've tried everything at the [00:38:00] same 3D lower consciousness level.
And so maybe the same way that . Someone will come and do a reiki session
with me after they tried all of the traditional routes. And they didn't get better.
And now they're kind of like Hail Mary. Like, okay, I'll try this . And so maybe
in the same way as all of our traditional systems are breaking down, people are
gonna be finally ready.
More open. And with Neptune in Aries ready to take more action as far as
trying something that may have seen to be out left field, , five, 10 years ago.
Now they're more open to it. That's my wish. My hope.
Amy: Yeah, I mean, I think you're right. The corporate environment is very
restrictive, like it's very constricting.
It feels very tight and controlling even for executives because, I mean, that is
just the nature of corporate life and more and more people are starting to realize
that that's not fulfilling them. And , it's causing a lot of divorce [00:39:00]
because people are not spending enough time at home.
And Covid really was such a gift in this way too, that it caused a lot of people to
start learning how to work from home. And it also caused a lot of people to
realize that life is short mm-hmm. And that we don't want to spend our whole
lives working, in an office or working period.
That , there's so much more to life that I think it really was a great catalyst for
encouraging the corporate world to be willing to try something different. So I
bet that's why Nicole, you're starting to see more corporate folks who are
feeling motivated to contact you for sessions, which I love hearing that.
I didn't know that was true, but I'm really glad to hear that.
Tianna: I know, Amy, that you have been interested in numerology for many,
many years. I don't remember if I ever asked you what is your life path number?
I'm curious. Five. Yeah. Tell us a little bit about that.
Amy: Five is the number of change and progress.Oh, yeah. And so yeah, I am always innovating and always [00:40:00] coming
up. It's also the number of travel and just experience. It can be a number of,
obstacles and challenge, but it is generally what I'm here to learn because that's
my life path number is how to progress, and how to affect change with others.
So, yeah.. I do love numerology. It's numbers. I do numbers.
Tianna: Yeah. So it seems like all the people in financial services, they like
numbers. They should all learn numerology as the gateway into the rest of this. ,
And then they can branch out. That's exactly what I was design and yeah,
Amy: I love it.
That's exactly what I had in mind. In fact, , a real estate agent and I are working
together on creating a class called Numerology for Realtors. That is really about
helping the realtors align the energy of the property with the energy of the client
from numerology perspective.
Nicole: Can you give an example of that?
Amy: Yeah, actually I can use , my own property purchase as an example. , I
just signed a contract this week actually [00:41:00] on the house that I'm gonna
build in a really awesome community. And I knew right away the community
that I wanted to be in, but there were several lots that I had to choose from.
So I asked the builder to give me the address of those lots. And there were four
lots really that I kind of liked. And , the numerology is you add up all of the
numbers in the house address itself, like 97 17 is one of the addresses. So when
I added up all of those digits and condense it down into one digit, it came out to
the number six.
Six is all about family luxury in the home artistic. Expression balance. It feels
very peaceful, it's very feminine. And all three of the other properties had the
number four, which is all about stability, hard work. I think Elon Musk is an
example that I heard from, another podcast I was listening to.
He is a life path four. Like a lot of millionaires and billionaires have [00:42:00]
life paths of four. They're meant to be successful and stable, but they have to
work really hard to get there. And so that was not an energy that I wanted in my
next property. I don't want to work hard anymore. The Gemini rising in me
wants to play, so I picked the property that had the number six because it feltlike the right energy for what I wanted to experience in this next phase of my
life, which is perfect.
, It's. Peaceful , and the lot backs up to ranch land and it has, like steps away
from the trailhead in the community. So I can walk on the trail every day if I
want to. , It would've been a really tough decision otherwise. So I was glad that
I had numerology available to me to help me make the decision.
Tianna: That's so cool. 'Cause I think so much of our life, we see it
compartmentalized, but it's this idea of every, , choice that we make, , or that's a
huge purchase, right? To purchase land and property like what energy do I want
to [00:43:00] invest my, , resources in and where do I want to put my energy in
And.
How, we could add meaning into everything that we do. If we are aware of the
energy of certain numbers and we're aware of these different archetypes and the
systems. , And then that is very empowering for us to be able to sort of decide
in those ways what is aligned in our life.
Nicole: Yeah. It reminds me of Tianna, when you're talking with people, you
might say, oh, well you're Aquarion, so that makes sense for this part of your
personality.
Or, oh, there's something happening in Leo right now, so that makes sense. And
then Amy, you talk with numbers. We have another friend who's very human
design focused, and for some people you might say, well, what's your love
language? Because then, oh, you're acts of service. Oh, you are touch. So it
brings more meaning into that connection with that person.
And we can do this in the business realm. I know some people will [00:44:00]
ask someone's birthday on a form and then they have their numerology for that
person. So they might be able to, have some more understanding of how to be
of service to that person, even in the corporate realm.
Amy: Yes, yes. I mean, there's so much that can be learned from just a birth
date.
, It's really such an easy piece of information to get from a potential client or a
client. And yet it provides so much powerful information that can be used in the
financial services realm, especially. Yeah, I use it , in my divorce business to
help with my mediation clients. So, yeah, , there's so many great uses, and these
tools are there for us because.We need them. Well, our society needs them in this early phase of like spiritual
awakening. As we're learning to get in touch with our intuition and use our
discernment more. These tools are such a great bridge to help us find relevant,
helpful information that is spiritually led, spiritually provided information.
But [00:45:00] there's a practical way to get it while we're in that process of
learning , how to get it on our own.
Tianna: And I love you use the word bridge and then , money to meaning
you're bridging and then you're life path five, five bridges, 1, 2, 3, 4 with 6, 7, 8,
9. And so you are literally a bridge in your life path number.
That's so cool. And you're a bridge to this old world and this new world that we
are, shifting into.
Amy: I feel like that is my role. Yeah. , I've got one foot firmly planted in the
practical 3D and another foot that's in the clouds in the five D. It's such that
doesn't look like a bridge, but it feels like one.
Nicole: So Amy, one of the things I've noticed in my personal life and also
what's coming up with my clients is rethinking how we are with money. Or our
relationship to money, and I know Sun, my spirit guide keeps saying for me to
change my idea of, what money is and change it to [00:46:00] resources.
So money is some of our resources,, but he keeps saying you have way more
abundance than what you realize you have Nicole, because it's resources. We
know how much money I have in the bank. Okay, we have that much money.
But he says, I have so much more. And then I'm noticing this with my clients as
well.
And so, for example, what I mean with resources is my boyfriend and I want to
do some landscaping in our backyard. And I'm like, well, do we want to put
money towards that? Well, I have a dear friend who's a landscaper so we can do
a trade. I love trades and barters. And so I have so much more access.
Oh,, I want someone to work on my website. I did all these trades with her,, to
work on my website. I could have paid her, but she actually preferred the trade.
It was like, I'd rather get this session. And , so I'm wondering if, when you see
our potential future, are you seeing it shifting to more of resources versus
[00:47:00] just cash in the bank?Amy: I believe money will go away altogether, eventually. Right now it's just a
tool. Yeah. So yes, what you just said is spot on and , I think it's awesome too
because you're absolutely right that we have way more available to us than just
money. And money is, I mean, it's literally numbers on a screen, like it's not
even gold backed or backed by anything anymore in the United States.
So it is literally just energy, which will not be needed., We won't need to be
counting things, which is what is required to deal with money. It's counting a
unit of something which will no longer be needed in the future. It's just, sure,
I'm gonna help you do this, you help me do that.
Like, that's just a give and take. It's an exchange of energy you don't need. Then
the money in between.
Tianna: Yeah. It's funny because , I'm sure people have said this before, in
some ways it's kind of going back to, it used to be [00:48:00] like that, right?
And then we went through this whole journey and then we're coming back to it.
But in a new way. Mm-hmm.
Amy: In a very new way. Yes. 'cause we'll still have all the technology
available to us, all the other modern things, conveniences and things that we
enjoy. But the manner of receiving and giving will not require an intermediary
such as money. I'm
Nicole: curious how this could possibly look. So when my daughter moved to
Hawaii, , there was this woman in her fifties and she says, I'm going to guide
you through living in Hawaii.
It's a completely different realm. I cannot speak for people living in Hawaii, but
I can speak for my daughter's experience where the woman said, you won't need
money except at the grocery store. Everything else is trade. So one day I called
my daughter, I'm like, what are you doing? She goes, oh, I'm taking care of
someone's chickens 'cause I'm gonna borrow this man's car on the weekend to
go, , up to the mountain to take a walk.
, And she [00:49:00] said she never needed money. Everything was barter and
trade. And so I can see how that , could work in some people's daily lives. And
like I said, I'm experiencing some of that. You have work on the big, big scale.
Like do you have any concept of that, of, like building bridges or building
schools or stuff like that?Amy: I don't know how we're going to get there, but, what I am seeing is like,
I'm gonna go to the store and I'm just gonna take the things that I need and I
might give some other things that I don't need, that I have to give. And it will be
maybe like, a large version of a consignment kind of deal.
But there's no money exchange. It's just, I'm gonna take what I need because it's
all done in love. Like love is just give, give what you have to those who need
want, and it will be, , reciprocated either from someone else or the universe.
Somehow you'll get the things that you want and need.
I also feel like , I'm trying to surrender to all of the [00:50:00] possibilities of
things that we don't know yet, too. Mm-hmm. So, I also wonder if it might just
be that, like, I could think that I want something and it just appears in my hand.
You know, I dream of genie, kind of blink and there it is, right?
So who knows? It could be like that, that it's just something that doesn't require
this length of time to prepare, grow, move, something. I don't know. But what I
am seeing is just the ability to go. Get, whatever it is that you need , and you
also are giving at the same time because , that's out of love.
That's coming from love.
Tianna: I have, guided people into other lifetimes in other realms. , And there
are a lot of other realms that unlike Earth are not survival based. And like what
you're saying, I think it's key what you're saying about love because, when.
Everyone is coming from this place of love and honoring each other and
knowing that we're all part of the oneness, and then there can be that [00:51:00]
trust. Then we don't have to take more than we need. Then we're willing to all
help each other the same way. I'm not gonna cut off one of my fingers knowing
it's part of my whole body.
When we all. Raise our consciousness to feel and know that we're part of the
one body. , We're not going to harm one another. We're going to help one
another. And so that's why this whole shifting our consciousness is the
necessary foundation, which thankfully we can do At the same time, , you can
be starting to create this new way and these.
Systems while we're also helping, one another to raise our consciousness and
change the frequency on the planet. But yeah, if people are only trying to
change the system, we've already seen that over and over again. , I think a lot ofpeople might agree,, that oh, communism, in theory it sounds nice, but the
reality is that nobody, really treats the fair way that it's supposed to work.
And people always take advantage and [00:52:00] that's why it's never worked
out. And so that consciousness piece just has to shift for then any of the good
idea systems that we have , to work. We have to be able to trust each other and
we have to all be coming from what you said this place , of love for it to
Amy: work out.
Yeah, exactly. And there's no fear of lack. There's none of that. So in that world,
there's no need to worry about it. You just, take what you need, you give, what
you don't, and what you have, where your area of expertise is. So Nicole, when
you talk about bartering, it makes perfect sense to me that you would be able to
offer.
I mean, anybody that has anything that you could use would benefit from a
psychic reading from you or, , reiki healing session from you. Tiana, or past life
regression, whatever services you want to provide. They're so universally
valuable to anybody that it's great.
Like when you have that kind of skill. , For me, I think like accounting is gonna
go [00:53:00] away. So I'll get to go play , and do something else. Maybe I will
make art, for fun, instead of, doing money things.
Nicole: And another example of bartering, I , got an email from a woman from
Mexico.
She would like a psychic session and her friend. , Mallory who we had , on the
podcast, she does cranial sacral. And my boyfriend Chris wants cranial sacral.
So he's going to receive a session from her and , on paper it all makes sense. I'm
going to give a psychic reading to this woman in Mexico and Mallory is going
to receive something else from someone else.
And it's multiple people involved. And it's actually really, really simple. We all
give something and we're all going to get something and it feels fantastic and
it's really fun to put this puzzle piece together and it's with people around the
world
Amy: and in community, it's so easy to apply.The whole kibbutz concept in Israel is what I [00:54:00] envision there being
more of around the world. It's like everybody has a job. I. Community, whether
it's farming or cooking or cleaning or tax filing, whatever, like everybody has a
job for everybody else in the community and they all contribute and that's how
they're able to , self sustain.
There's no need for any money in that scenario at all.
Nicole: And it's very meaningful. Yeah. Everyone is connected with something
that they need and something that feels good to give.
Amy: Everyone feels important and valued. Hmm.
Tianna: A lot of people say that part of this shift is to become more local and
so you could look at this crazy tariff stuff that's going on and how, , these
governments are all kind of
breaking away from each other. And then that's going to maybe force, ,
everyone to resource more locally instead of globally, , instead of us getting,
cheap goods from China, now we're looking for someone at the farmer's market
that makes, whatnot. So I think it is [00:55:00] gonna start in small communities
and then those communities can interact.
I mean, which again, this is the interesting thing of kind of going backward in a
way. but that probably makes sense that there are these cycles and you know
how people say it's like a spiral. And so , it's coming around, but it's not at the
same level as it was before. There's like a new level, but, it cycles around.
And so, I think even the next five years we're gonna see tremendous change.
Amy: Completely agree. Yes. And I don't see it as like regression into old mm-
hmm. Times. I see it as more of, we're going back and we're picking up the
things that were really good about the old days mm-hmm. About old times , and
re revitalizing them.
Tianna: Wonderful. So, how can people connect to you and your offerings?
Amy: Well, as of right now, we don't have the website up yet for the new
company, but my divorce business is still available on your divorce asset.com
and you can reach me that way or,, look for the Money To Meaning [00:56:00]
podcast on YouTube.And,, as the new things are developed, then the links will be a added to the
Money To Meaning podcast site and there will be a community created online
that , everybody will be able to join and be part of, to learn along with us. Yay.
Amazing.
Well,
Tianna: looking forward to seeing how that evolves. Thank you. Thank you so
much. This has been fun. Thank you. It has been fun. Thanks Amy.
Nicole: Awesome.