Mallory Davidson, Craniosacral Therapist, Reiki Master Teacher, Doula
There are people whose presence alone feels like medicine - Mallory Davidson is one of those people.
In this episode, we discuss with Mallory about what it means to truly listen to the body. Her work blends craniosacral therapy, Reiki, intuitive guidance and nervous system repair - not as separate tools, but as one fluid language of support and reconnection.
We talk about the spaces where healing naturally unfolds: in stillness, in slowness and in subtle sensations we’re often taught to ignore. Mallory shares stories from her practice and personal path, including how animals, grief and birth experiences open unexpected doors to clarity, release and remembrance.
Highlights:
🧘♀️ What does it really mean to hold space and how can being witnessed in stillness spark deep healing?
🌀 How subtle bodywork and intuitive energy healing often create more lasting shifts than force or intensity.
🐾 How do animals help us regulate our nervous systems and teach us about presence?
💔 Grief as a healing portal: how sitting with what hurts can open space for softness and surrender.
🌱 The importance of slowing down in a culture addicted to productivity.
👶 What Mallory learned from supporting birth experiences and how the body holds onto early imprints long after we're born.
✨ Why true healing doesn’t come from fixing, but from reconnecting to what’s already whole within us.
🌊 How does the nervous system communicate through sensation and why is learning to listen so essential?
🌿 Trauma-informed healing: Mallory explains why safety and alignment matter more than technique.
💫 Why sensitivity and silence from an intuitive practitioner can often reveal the most.
MALLORY DAVIDSON, OM, is the founding Mother of Center Of Ascension. She has practiced a multitude of healing modalities over the past 20 years - including massage & craniosacral therapy. She is also a doula, meditation teacher, sound healer, intuitive mentor, and a Reiki Master Teacher. Learn more about her services & classes at CenterOfAscension.com.
TIANNA ROSER is an Usui Reiki Master Teacher, Soul Plan Practitioner & Certified Clinical Hypnotist specializing in Past Life Regression, Life Between Lives Regression & QHHT. https://www.awakeningtransformation.com. 💖 Her book “Awakening Transformation: A Beginner’s Guide to Becoming Your Higher Self” is filled with practices to lighten your spiritual journey & accelerate growth: https://www.amazon.com/Awakening-Transformation-Beginners-Becoming-Higher/dp/1737705303
NICOLE PARISH is a a gifted International Psychic and Medium. She offers both in-person & zoom readings, connecting clients with their spirit guides, helpers, and departed loved ones, as well as entity & attachment releasing and home clearings. Check out her Intuitive Development, group readings & other events. https://www.nicoleparish.com/
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TRANSCRIPT
Tianna: [00:00:00] Welcome, Mallory. I've known you for a number of years
now, and you are a very gifted healer. You're the healer's healer. You're the
person that I go to. People think that oh, if we do healing work that we don't
ever need any support ourself, and that's just not true. We all need to have some
people that we know, that we can reach out to and sort of fill our cup back up.
And I don't know exactly, how you do your magic, but it's almost like if you
had a itch and you can reach it, when I go see you, there's just some things that
you do that sort of reboot and plug my system back in ways that maybe I miss
or that I can't.
I would love if you could share with us about the healing modalities that you do.
Mallory: I would love to, it's cool that you say reboot because one of the
modalities that I incorporate is called cranial sacral therapy and it is a reboot for
the physical, central [00:01:00] nervous system. So that reboots everyone's
system.
It feels really nice, it's very gentle. And then often I combine that hands-on body
work with hands-on or virtual energy work as well. And that could be
something like Reiki, which you're familiar with, you are my teacher. Thank
you so much. It could be chakra work, meridian work, any of the energy
channel or areas combine really well and overlap with the central nervous
system.
So when clients come in for hands on work, it's usually physical body work like
cranial sacral plus energy work for the energy body.
Tianna: Amazing. And I know Nicole had a session with you too. Yes.
Nicole: And. , What I realized is that as you were doing the cranial sacral and
the massage work on my body, not only did my physical muscles receive
relaxation and needed movement and manipulation, it felt like my core being
was being massaged.
So it feels like my nerves were [00:02:00] relaxing. , My inner muscular system
was relaxing. And it's hard to describe. It's almost like if the outside of my body
gets the massage with you, my inside body also gets massage. And right away Istarted recommending people to you. I started recommending my friends and
my clients to come to see you and I will be back.
It is such, a relaxing experience at a very, very deep level.
Mallory: I'm so glad it felt that way to you. You were so fun to work with. I
can't wait to have you back. Thank you.
Tianna: And you're quite intuitive yourself, Mallory. , a number of times
you've given me, messages during those sessions that were super spot on and I
was just like, wow.
And that was, healing in itself to receive those spiritual messages and that
support. Yeah.
Mallory: The more I grow and heal as we all do, the more my intuitive abilities
are developing as well. And it's the coolest honor of a lifetime to get to work
with other healers and intuitives, especially when the spiritual piece [00:03:00]
clicks in as well.
And the bulk of my clients and students are wellness practitioners as well, so
that's really, really fun.
Nicole: One of the things that I will do next time when I come get a session is
I'll make sure to bring my journal because the messages you gave me. Some of
them were very sweet and gentle, like Yes. And the other one's so profound,
which all are welcome.
And I wish I'd had my journal to write it down. So next time I will bring my
journal. 'cause definitely you are quite intuitive and as a psychic medium, I
could also very much feel the intuitive activity within you.
Mallory: Wow. It's a good idea to have journals.
I'll start keeping them too. That's smart. Thank you for that.
Mm-hmm.
Tianna: I don't know if I know what I call your spiritual origin story. How did
you come to your own spiritual path?Mallory: What a great question, the short version is, as long as I can remember,
I've been very intuitive.
So even, especially as a child, I. Then through [00:04:00] conditioning or
whatever we want to call it, I kind of turned the volume down on that. And then
as I got older, I was so interested, in spirituality and the physical body and the
combination of the two that I went to massage school about 20 years ago. And
that sent me on a totally different trajectory than what I was expecting.
In fact, at one time I was a super hardcore deep tissue sports massage therapist
only, and now I'm kind of the opposite where it's, five grams of pressure max.
So it's really interesting the way things shift as we grow and evolve. But my
background is in massage therapy and teaching, and managing spas and things
like that.
And so another offering that I do from time to time these days, is like a spiritual
or business mentorship with other healers too.
Mm-hmm. But that
Mallory: offering has come from my history and a lot of that being intuitive.
And then I. Having the volume turned down on that because it felt scary or I
didn't understand it.
And then finding teachers like yourself, people like Nicole, so many good, ,
supporters, especially in the Austin area has really helped me [00:05:00]
develop and I'm still on that path and I think I always will be. Yeah, also had
some church conditioning when I was younger, which has huge benefits for me
now that, there was a few bells to un ring around that one.
But it really has offered me a beautiful foundation for a relationship with the
divine and a full hearted openness that I can offer with clients too, and maybe
some understanding of spiritual religious trauma or whatever their experience
has been. I think I have a bigger capacity for that because of the path that I've
been on.
So that's one of my favorite demographics to work with too.
Tianna: That's super interesting. You feel really balanced they always say to
have a foot in both worlds, right? We want one foot in spiritual realm and then
one foot firmly grounded here on earth. AndI hope you don't mind me saying that you're a Virgo and that's such a practical,
sign to have and then to have your intuitive,, gifts and to be a Virgo and to have
your background, coming from a place that was, really, more body-based and
really grounded.
And then to now be working on maybe the more [00:06:00] ethereal levels of
people. , What a cool balance that you can bring to your practice. And to other
wellness practitioners, because a lot of times people tend to be either more on
one side or the other, and somehow we're trying to find how to share our gifts in
the world while also eat, and pay our rent
Mallory: absolutely. Yeah, I do. That resonates greatly. The one foot in each
realm kind of thing, and. If it's of interest, I'm also a life path 11. And I've heard
that described as like a bridge between the physical and the ethereal. And that
feels fitting for me personally and also professionally. Because I do feel like
accessing through the physical body is such a beautiful space.
I mean, these bodies are so cool. What an incredible design we get to live in.
And then we know there's also a huge part of us that's the spiritual or the
essence or whatever term people are comfortable with there. So to be able to
work with both at the same time is really, really neat.
Nicole: I was just thinking of the example, of being on your [00:07:00] table
receiving these intuitive messages.
You doing great cranial sacral, which is such light touch and it feels very
spiritual and out there while also receiving so much healing and shifting inside.
And then go to your guest bathroom. There's a lot of activity happening in your
guest bathroom of just really honoring what the body naturally does in there,
and it is just hilarious of just having this spiritual component.
And yes, we eat and go to the bathroom and let's celebrate all the aspects of
being in this human body on planet earth.
Mallory: Absolutely. And a similar thought that comes to mind is whenever we
process physically and energetically, the body will release whatever it is.
Sometimes we've gotta go to the restroom.
Sometimes we have a big cry, sometimes we have a big laugh. And I think it's
so cool that I feel, my opinion is, at least this is a working theory for now, so
I'm gonna leave space to evolve this. It seems to me at this point in my
[00:08:00] career that the physical body stores the subconscious mind. And sowe can understand through a trauma lens, if we want to call it that any
unprocessed experience at whatever point in our physical being, it can get hung
up in the body.
If we don't have the time or the tools to process it can get stuck, right? Just like
energy, it gets stuck in the physical tissues as well. And so I find that with
combination of craniosacral therapy or other gentle body work with energy
work, it's really somatic trauma-based therapy. Or it can be if the client is ready
to be in that space, and it really can be so healing and so moving and you really
can get a lot done or a little whatever's appropriate in the moment.
But, there's great benefits even to just having somebody hold space intentionally
for five minutes. It's beautiful what can happen within the body and within the
energy and within the heart space, just by having somebody hold space
intentionally. And then when you add in these technical modalities like cranial
sacral or a more fluid modality like reiki.
It's [00:09:00] just, it's the sweet spot for me as a practitioner and as a teacher,
and as a client. I'm always seeking the balance of all the levels with which we
operate. To find a practitioner that can access those is so healing and so
beautiful.
Tianna: I love that you said a working, theory, because I've seen that over the
years with Reiki as well, is that even 10 years in, I was like, oh, this always
happens this way.
And I'll come up with, a theory and then 15 years in I'll be like, oh my gosh,
some, anomaly will happen. I'm like, oh, I guess it doesn't always happen that
way. And so whatever I believe now is a sort of a working theory because , it
could be consistently like that over many, many, many sessions or years.
And yet I also think that we're in really powerful times that what was true in the
past may no longer be true., I think, astrologer, Pam Gregory often mentions
about us becoming a, gosh, what does she call it?, Anyway, like a new human.
I don't remember exactly, but there's like a new human that we're evolving into.
And [00:10:00] so. I do feel that that makes sense to me and resonates with me
what you said about the subconscious being held in our body. And I have my
own experiences, as the client getting a massage and having sort of, people say
random memories pop up, but, I'm so sure,, that's stored in my body because
where did that come from?And suddenly it emerges during the massage. It does really resonate with me.
And I'm curious what your thoughts are about this idea that maybe that we're
evolving into a new type of human or, that these things, might have been true in
the past or could change in the near future in our lifetime.
Mallory: I think it's very possible and likely it seems to me that that's
happening now, that it's begun. And that's through my own personal experience
and also working with this dynamic group of clients and students. Everyone
brings something specific and special and that changes, just like you said about
with reiki at 10 years in, it seemed like it [00:11:00] happens this way.
And then surprise, the universe has a little gift for you and it's something totally
different. And how cool is that, that we get to witness this and we get to hold
space and we get to be part of this? I feel we're a humongous shift collectively,
in a really good way. I think we need it. I think we're right on time with the
deconstruction in order to build something new that's more fitting for a totally
new experience or side.
Tianna: I think it was, a homo luminous , as far as what Pam Gregory said was
like the new human, it has luminous, which I love is like this, light filled human
that we might be evolving into.
Mallory: What a great description.
Yeah. Let's claim that. It
Tianna: sounds lovely.
Nicole: You sign me up. I even think of one of the examples of working with so
many people, developing their intuitive abilities, or helping them do that, and
knowing in general what kind of intuitive abilities people have and helping
them work on them. And then the [00:12:00] children coming in and just the
example of all the talk right now going on of the children who are telepathic.
And when I work with people, there's a baseline of telepathy between humans. I
don't know how big, how small it feels. Pretty small. From my perspective, I am
not very skilled in telepathy, but these children, there's a whole group of
children coming in who really, really are, and I'm not finding many adults who
are.
However, as more and more telepathic children come into the world, this is the
only way I can think of. It seems like it's activating some of the adults. So whatI've said for many years is I'm not very telepathic, but when I'm around
someone who is, it amplifies what little telepathy I have.
So these children coming in are helping shift the adults around them. There's a
big generalization, but I'm seeing it in little pockets , here and there. It's very
exciting and we get to be part of that. Thank you very much. Very excited. And
Mallory, for people who are listening who've not experienced [00:13:00] cranial
sacral or reiki before, and I know Tianna is your Reiki teacher, how would you
describe it to them and what does it look like if they physically came and got a
session or over
Mallory: Zoom?
If they came in for a one-on-one hands-on session, which would be in the
Austin area, they would come in, we would have a nice chat, we would figure
out what's going on, that they're looking to shift, what is the intention of the
session, and then they would lay on a massage table or chiropractic table. You
don't have to disrobe for either of these modalities, which makes it feel extra
safe.
You lay face up on a table if you can. If your body can't do that, we can adjust.
But most people lay face up on their back. And then there's a series of really
gentle, intentional holds that go all along the head or the cranium down the
spine to the sacrum or the sacro part. All the way down the body.
And what's happening , in those moments, are there specific cranial sacral holds
that happen on the body that help, connect with the nervous system in a really
gentle way? And what we're doing is we're [00:14:00] communicating to the
nervous system. It is safe to do whatever you need to do. So sometimes what
people need to do is they need to take a little nap, and that's what resets their
system.
Sometimes what people need to do is they need to have a little cry. That's great
too. So whatever the body naturally does, works perfectly. And then within
those holds, if people are open to reiki healing or other intuitive energy work,
channeling through the chakras of the palms in my hand, into that person's body
or energy field at the same time.
And for a virtual session, it's similar except it's not hands-on obviously. So we
can understand that energy is not bound by time or space because of that. If
someone were to receive a virtual healing session, we would connect on thephone, on video, however they're comfortable or simply through the ether at a
specific time.
And then I would channel healing energy to their body, their space, their
chakras, their home, whatever it is they're looking to get tuned up and they both
work much to my surprise, when I took a [00:15:00] class with Tianna at the
beginning of Covid, it was virtual and I took it, about 50% of me was skeptical.
And I thought, let me try this because I don't know if I'm gonna be able to feel it
being intuitive and sensitive my whole life. My sweet little brain thought, I don't
know if I'm gonna be able to feel this attunement. I don't know. And you know,
that was the most physical sensations of any attunement I ever received was
virtual with Tianna.
It was amazing. That helped me so much understand as a client and student and
practitioner, the physical response to virtual, energy work is very, very real for
me, in my experience, it was more real even than the hands-on in person, and
that was incredibly eye-opening for me. Thank you for that.
Tianna: Yeah, it's really interesting , same when Covid came, I knew that
energy to be transferred. It doesn't have to be in the same place. It's not limited
by time or space. And yet still there was that skepticism a bit myself, like, oh, is
this really gonna work?
I hadn't taught any classes virtually, and so I was [00:16:00] lucky to have
another reiki master in the office that I was in at that time. And then we could
experiment before I launched the virtual classes. But still, yeah, it's funny how
we can know something conceptually, but until we, put it into practice, there is
still a little fear of like, okay, is this really true?
What I think I know and I'm about to find out, I'm curious if like in years, years
of practice. Are you seeing a change in maybe why people come to see you or
who comes to see you as far as like younger people or people that are going
through certain transition or anything like that,
Mallory: It's ever evolving and it's so interesting and I feel that a lot of the
clients and students that come in, I can understand that we have some piece of
resonance together, otherwise we wouldn't have found each other. Right. And
so, on my own past, some of the things that I've been through, , that we could
call grief or trauma or [00:17:00] transition, or I call it the grief case, the big set
of emotions and experiences that comes with a loss, whatever the loss is,whether it's loss of a loved one or loss of an idea of what our life might look
like.
Anything that would fit in that box, you could say I'm getting a lot more, people
interested in that kind of work. And I think that as I do my healing work for my
own path, I'm seeing a much bigger influx of people coming in for grief or
trauma, something like this,, or they go, I'm in the healing arts, I don't know
where to go.
Somebody gave me your number. And they just come in and go, ah, on the
table. And even that alone, I'm like, congratulations, you did it. You're here, you
showed up. This is it. This is the point of why you came here, is for you to sit
down and go and allow yourself to receive. So yes, lately, the last several years,
I'm doing a lot more trauma type work, although I'm open to all the types of
work, but I'm getting a lot more clients who are ready to move through some
bigger emotions that might be stuck in the body.
, And then also I [00:18:00] do work with pediatrics and birth workers a lot too.
So sometimes even, I'm a birth worker as well, so like if I attended birth. A lot
of times I'll bring reiki and cranial into that scenario as appropriate. Right.
Certainly not appropriate for the entire labor process. , At least not hands on,
but, , that's something my background is in too, and I am getting a lot more of
that demographic lately as well.
And what I think is happening is as my capacity expands, I can hold greater
space for these more intense experiences like the labor process, for example, or
grief and trauma body work. That's usually a more intense space to hold. , But I
love it. It's such an honor.
Nicole: I did not realize you work with, , women in labor and,, birthing process.
Are you coming in as a doula? Are you coming in as an energy worker? , What
is your title in that realm?
Mallory: In that realm it would be doula, but energy worker is also true. Or
body worker is also true, but doula is a little more all encompassing for specific
[00:19:00] training with that demographic.
Yeah. So
Nicole: people could bring you on their birthing team as a doula knowing that
they get this amazing benefit of energy workeras well.
Nicole: Absolutely. And also you hold such beautiful space as the supportive
older sister. For the supportive aunt or something trying to like place you in my
mind, I feel like you're a cheerleader.
You are a, yep shit happens to everyone or things happen to everyone and we're
all in this together., And I know that when I've gotten a session from you and
just around you in general, I feel so very supported by you. With whatever I
bring to the table, I can say, oh, I had an upsetting discussion with my best
friend.
You'd be like, yep. Been there. Or, oh, I'm going through this life changing
experience and I don't know, it feels like my foundation is rocking and you go,
yep. Been there and how can I support you? And, I imagine a woman having
you or a family having [00:20:00] you through the birth process is just an
incredibly
enlivening, beautiful, supportive experience for them.
Mallory: I sure hope so., It's really an honor to be able to hold that space. And
with the bodywork background too, it's obviously mamas who are the main
focus, right? Mamas and babies. And also often the partners or other children of
that family,, need a little love too.
They need a little attention too. And so it's really cool to be able to work with all
different kinds of families, every background you could think of, bring life into
the world. Right. And there's usually, there's often other kids. And you were
talking about the kids coming in now, the intuitive skillset of the kids coming
our side right now.
I have seen a huge change. I agree with you. It's really, really cool. Mm-hmm.
These little intuitive children are, man, they really are The future, I hate to be
cliche, but it's incredible to watch and it's incredible to watch in the ways that
they come earth side too. To tie it back to cranial sacral, it is often said in the
cranial sacral [00:21:00] circles.
A vaginal birth or a cesarean birth is your first cranial sacral session because
there's compression and decompression of the cranial bones as you enter the
world.Tianna: Hmm. Interesting. Yeah, and, I hope this becomes more and more
prevalent. Like what a beautiful way to enter the,, jarring earth energy to receive
this energy.
And, as you make that transition, I would hope that more people would want, ,
these types of modalities to help them through that process. And I know,, there
are a couple clients that I've given them regular reiki throughout their whole
pregnancy, and I always think like, oh man, it must be nice as a baby,, to be
forming, um, yeah, Reiki energy.
And then to kind of come into the world with that energy and, I'm guessing that
is gonna become more, like also there's , the death doulas on the other end of the
transition too. I think that, , both the birth [00:22:00] and death transition, if we
can bring more spiritual and,\ high frequency energies into those transitions,
which can be traumatic either way,, that would help in the shift that we're
making here on the planet.
Mallory: Absolutely. , I think part of the reason this isn't as common yet is just
lack of information. So thank you for doing such a beautiful job with this
podcast and all the wonderful things you share, but especially this , for families
or for anyone who has experienced trauma, which is everyone.
And Nicole, a second ago when you said, shit happens, you are right. . Shit does
happen and a big pile of shit is still fertilizer, right? But it's really nice to have
someone walk beside you and say, wow, look at this growth that's gonna happen
in the appropriate time, and here's some tools and I love you.
Let's have a hug and let's see how this goes. 'Cause I think especially those of us
in the healing arts, we give so much to others that sometimes we don't have the
same support for ourselves., And it's a really beautiful thing to be able to
[00:23:00] have that , with people like you too. So thanks for that.
Nicole: So I know that you also work with non-human. Would you share about
that?
Mallory: That Sure , i'm like, , which non-human group I know
Tianna: who.
Mallory: So often in session I will, like you were saying, I will get some like
intuitive information is what I call it. So I wouldn't consider myself a psychic
medium, but I do see some of that skillset developing, which is exciting. So alot of times people, especially when they come in for grief, somatic body work,
a lot of times their deceased loved ones will come in, which, they were human
and now they're in essence or spirit, or whichever word we're using.
And that's really, really special. And then often I find, spirits from the other side
will come through animals a lot in my experience as well. , And what's
happening more lately is they're coming in to say to [00:24:00] their loved one,
Hey, tell them this thing. Hey, tell them. Sometimes it's, you're gonna be fine.
Or, Hey, your dad showed up as this blue bird and this is how it felt. , And the
more that I share that, the more I'm feeling empowered to continue to share.
Because it can feel a little scary because sometimes I think am I full crazy?
Have I gone full nuts? I don't think so. But it can feel that way, , with the ego
brain and the spirit.
, It's really interesting space to be in. So a lot of times,, loved ones will come
through and have a message, and sometimes it's something really trivial. Like,
do you remember that green juice? That's something I kept hearing and hearing,
and I said, I don't want to say it. I'm gonna sound nuts.
And , the guides kept saying, just say it. They'll get it. And so I finally did, and
this precious client burst into tears and said, oh my gosh,, my dad used to make
me this green juice and I've really been missing him. And it was this specific,
she told me this whole beautiful story that had I allowed even 1% more of my
ego to stand in the way of that, I wouldn't have shared it because I felt scared
and I didn't want to be weird
but the conclusion I've come to now is we're all [00:25:00] pretty weird and it's
fantastic. So,, let it out. And it's coming out, it's coming out more and more for
me and clients. , But yeah, that's often how that comes through for me.
Tianna: I'm sure Nicole can relate a lot to that in learning how to sort of accept
and embrace your intuitive gifts.
Nicole: Yeah, a big part, like hearing you talk about the, I don't want to say the
green juice. I'll sound crazy, I might be wrong. I don't want to say this. And for
me, I got to this point of I will be wrong sometimes and that's okay. So I just
really settled into, yeah, sometimes I'll say things, I think it's spirit saying it, and
it's my imagination or the Bluebird outside.
Actually, it's just a bluebird. Flying south, , or whatever it might be., But the
more I say what I think is intuitive information, the stronger, validation I getfrom my clients, my friends, or the more validation of saying yes, that is
[00:26:00] accurate and it makes my intuition stronger or me trust my intuition
more.
So you mentioned animals. Do you work with animals?
Mallory: I do, yes. I do energy work with any animal anytime with their
permission, of course, and with their humans permission and interest. I actually
specialize with canines and equine, so dogs and horses. Anything with a spine
can receive craniosacral and get great benefits, but I'm specifically trained with
dogs and horses.
, And what that looks like often is, a human client, will say. Oh, my 3-year-old
sat on our Corgi and now his hips are messed up. Can you work on him? I said,
absolutely. Bring him in. I mean the cutest clients ever. Right., And there's a
great benefit to working with animals, much like children, is they don't
experience the same mental conditioning as an adult human.
And so often it works faster and more efficiently because they're not saying this
probably isn't working. They go, oh, this works cool. And similar thing with
[00:27:00] horses,, horses and dogs have a very similar skeletal system and
energy system as well., So a lot of horses that I work with are like a race horse
or maybe a retired horse that's older that's having whatever issue.
And then with them, I'll usually offer reiki with cranial signal, just like a human
client. It's really effective and it's really, really fun.
Tianna: Okay. I've worked. Or the reiki with dogs and cats, but I've never
worked with horses or cows or bigger animals.
Like what you're saying,, I've found that , the animals that I've worked with
again, which are only cats and dogs, don't need as long of a session as a adult
human would. But I didn't know if, part of that was their size.
I'm curious then between like a dog and a horse, does a horse need maybe a
longer session than a dog because of its size or are they pretty much the same in
that there's like a difference between humans and animals?
Mallory: That's a great question. , A lot of the time. A horse compared to a dog
would take more time, [00:28:00] especially if we're working more on the
physical body.So energetically, not necessarily physically. Yes. And that's I think partly just
'cause there's so much more massive and so much more tissue
Yeah. To work
Mallory: with like with cranial sacral or a massage for a horse. That usually
does take longer than a smaller animal. But energetically they about the same to
me.
Tianna: , Yeah. I was thinking about energetically. I was wondering as far as
their energy system and ours also,, I'm guessing that the dogs that you work
with are people's pets generally. Generally. Yeah. Yeah. And so they have sort
of a more personal connection I would think, than horses a bit.
'cause , horses will stay outside and often our dogs will be on our beds and, be
with us 24 7. And so I was wondering, if maybe. , The dogs picked up more of
our human stuff because they're so enmeshed in the human's life versus a horse
that has a little more space energetically.
Mallory: That's a great question [00:29:00] too. I find that animals have more
stuff the closer they are to their human. So often that's dogs, but sometimes it's
horses too., I've heard people reference a heart horse, so it's almost like a
soulmate energy between a human and a horse or a human and a pet. We see
this all the time where people are like, oh, my dog children.
Sure. There's a relationship that feels very, very much like that. And the same
can be true with horses. But the horses or even cattle that I've worked with, if
they're not as emotionally connected to the human, they usually don't have as
much stuff. And interestingly, when. Someone's animal gets worked on that's
very emotionally or energetically tied to their person, their person will report,
oh, I'm feeling a lot better.
Oh, I woke up the next day and I just felt so much more clearheaded. So it's
interesting to see the energetic tie between humans and animals or other humans
because we all do affect each other, right? We all really are connected. And so if
someone's dog, like the dog , whose three-year-old brother sat on him, the mom
a few days later was [00:30:00] like, Hey, my headache's gone.
Isn't that interesting? Like yes, it is interesting. It's so interesting. It's beautiful.Nicole: So you mentioned that , you receive training to work with animals.
Where does one receive training for this? I'm so curious what schools are out
there.
Mallory: There are some really cool schools out there. So a lot of my training
has been, from the inside out.
So intuition and hands-on practice. And then the training for,, equine,
craniosacral therapy. There is a woman, she's a veterinarian and she is also an
energy worker and body worker and craniosacral therapist for horses. , And she
has a really cool online program that I did. I think it's called Angels Animals,
but she was incredible. Angels Animals, if I remember correctly. Yeah. Yeah.
And she was awesome. And so that was an online course with video and it was
so cute. We are required to submit documentation of here's these three courses I
worked with, here's what I got [00:31:00] intuitively, here's the different holds.
And the horses were just so delightful. They're so much like humans or even
children and that they're like, here it is. I'm gonna lay it all out and just almost
like show horses. It was so fun and all very different personalities, just like
humans. Same thing with dogs and cats. A lot of personality going on.
Tianna: Are you having a conversation with them during the session I'm so
curious. I mean,, spiritually telepathically.
Mallory: Yes. Or at least I'm trying to, at least I open to that and ask them
either out loud or energetically just like I would a human. What's going on?
How are you feeling today?
Oh, I'm noticing it looks like your right upper arm has something going on. Do
you feel anything there? Is it okay if I hold there and then just like anything
with reiki or body work, I wait for permission. Right. Because they are self-
sovereign just like we are. Yeah. And usually they're pretty chatty back.
It's really, really fun work because it's really juicy, amusing fun work and horses
especially because I think 'cause their bodies are so much [00:32:00] larger,
they have these big fascial unwinding, like one horse's, his lips came back and
it's like this huge Mr. Ed smile for like a three minute release.
It was so cool to see. It's such a bigger experience even in the physical. To work
with horses. It's really, really cool.Nicole: I'm so curious if when you receive information from the horses or the
helpers around them, if that's similar to how you receive intuitive information
when you work with humans, or is it a different experience?
Mallory: It feels almost identical to me, and that may just be because that's the
skillset that I work with, and so that's how I receive information. But it feels the
same. Maybe a little saucier, maybe a little more pizazz from the animals. But
in general, it's very similar. So for example, if I'm holding the chest area on a
human or a dog or a horse, it all feels similar in that I can sense a dense energy,
a lighter energy.
The muscles kind of tell me where to go or what's happening within the body,
regardless of what body it comes [00:33:00] in.
Nicole: And how are you receiving information? Are you hearing it, feeling it
sensation wise in your body, feeling emotions with it, seeing where to place
your hands or seeing colors or, I'm curious what kind of information you get.
Mallory: All of those have happened. What's common for me is I can feel it in
my physical body often, and I'll also use the actual physical eyes to look at that
body and look, okay, there is something hung up here. And then I ask, can I go
there? And so I'm drawn to it through the physical and also the energetic.
And a lot of times I will sense something or hear a word or a phrase or with
animals especially, it's almost like this bouncy energy where they're like, oh, but
go to that left side. My left hip is like, and they just kind of will move, they'll
physically move as well. Similar to children. So adult humans often don't do
that because of the filters or whatever we're calling it.
But animals and children will almost always put whatever body part they want
you to start with up on you. [00:34:00] And you might imagine if you're at a
friend's house and a cat comes and sits on you, they want you to pet them, right?
Or a dog backs up, his haunches into you. You're gonna pet them there or lays
their head in your lap.
They want you to pet them there. They want work in that area. And so animals
and children have a similar kind of thing where they will bring it to you. They'll
go, here it is here's what's going on. And lay down. It's really cool.
Tianna: Before when we were talking about how, connected , humans are with
their animals, do you find that sometimes then when you're working on the
animal, you realize it's the human that really needs to do some of the healing?And do those people sometimes come and have a session with you because their
stuff is what's being, expressed through the animal or affecting the animal.
Mallory: Yes, very often, and sometimes if the human is resistant, but the
animal needs work, they'll say, oh, well my dog needs to come in because
they're having behavioral issues.
And my first thought is, are they having behavioral [00:35:00] issues? Okay.
Because the same, I've been there too. And so what I often find is when the
animal comes in, sometimes the animal will say, Hey. Tell mom please that she
needs to chill out or please tell her to go get that massage, for example, please
tell her to go see Nicole, for example.
The animal will often indicate to me whatever's going on with the human. And
sometimes I'll say, your animal loves you so much, and the sensation I'm
picking up is they want you to take really good care of yourself. Do you want to
a session after this? I've got time. Or do you need a referral for a great foot
reflexology place?
Or whatever, some tools that are coming up. Yeah, it's really our animals are so
precious the way that they care for us. Have you seen that bumper sticker about
rescue animals? And it says who rescued who?
Mm-hmm.
Mallory: It's very much that kind of energy that, every animal I've worked with
has some sort of heart connection to their caretaker or whoever their human is,
or humans every time.
Tianna: Do we have these soul contracts with these animal souls before life?
Do you have any thoughts on that? I sure [00:36:00] hope so.,
Mallory: I'd like to think that, yeah, I would like to think that I've had animals
over the years and still do that. Just, even just when I think about it, my whole
body is just like, oh, sweet, sweet animal, whatever it is.
And I hope that they feel the same way about me and I do, I like to think that
there's some soul agreements there, but I don't know. But I sure like to think
that.
Nicole: Do you see, that animals have guardian angels or spirit helpers along
the way?When I do a session with a human, I can easily see their helpers around them.
When I've worked with animals, I'm going back in my mind, I don't remember
seeing them having an official guardian, angel or official spirit guide with them.
It doesn't mean. They don't, it's that I don't remember seeing any, have you had
any experience of that?
Mallory: Not that I can recall. But hopefully they do, hopefully they have a lot
of guides and helpers. From my [00:37:00] perspective so far, it's largely been
the connection with their human.
Nicole: Yeah. That's my experience as well. And my experience that, their
connection with the spirit realms is more open and fluid than the average
humans., So maybe their need of a guardian angel or a spirit guide, maybe they
don't have that need. Like maybe we have that need. I don't know how it works.
I think it's very possible.
Mallory: The question that comes to my mind is maybe they are the guide mm-
hmm. For the human. I mean, ,
Because they don't have the ego hangups that the humans have, I can see where
they may not have the same spiritual needs that we have. Yeah, that makes
sense. Yeah.
Tianna: What else,, would you like,, our listeners to know,, about,
Mallory: I do want to share that I've got some classes coming up this summer
that are a lot of fun and anything that I teach, there's always a beginner level
class and so that's open to anyone. You don't have to be a body worker or
energy worker or even [00:38:00] intuitive if you're just curious, for example,
about what is cranial sacral therapy.
You can attend a workshop or a level one class to learn about it and learn how
can you use some techniques at home. So while the bulk of my practice is with
other healers. There's a lot of classes and workshops too that are available for
anybody who's interested. , I also offer events and certifications at different
places.
For example, I did a guided meditation and sound bath at a corporation recently.
That was a lot of fun.
So I try to be accessible to all different types of people at all different levels. So
someone can absolutely do some deep hardcore cranial sacral training throughmy company, or they can come in for a four hour workshop and learn a little bit
about their nervous system and some tools at home to feel better for them and
their families or their animals.
So there's, a big array, and the website is always being updated too. So the
website is the center of ascension.com.
Tianna: Wonderful. Yeah, I'm glad that you mentioned that because I found
that with reiki is [00:39:00] that, , people would think that the Reiki classes
were only for people who want to be practitioners.
And so then I realized oh, I sort of need to be, the advocate to let people know,
you can do Reiki one and it can be incredible tool for yourself and for your self-
healing and your self care. And so many people were surprised, like, oh, I
thought that was only for practitioners.
And so actually I am surprised that then I didn't realize that for cranial sacral, I
was thinking the same thing, that the classes are just for people who want to
become practitioners, but. Wouldn't it be great in the world if we all had a
number of these tools for ourself, especially since we're going through this
massive shift and things are unraveling on the planet.
And so we are all needing to be able to regulate our own nervous system and
have ways that,, if somebody can't come out and have a session with one of us
that they can do for themselves or, their loved ones. So that's amazing and I'm
[00:40:00] excited that you're willing to go into the corporate.
I'm not really willing to go into the corporate environment , but I'm like,
somebody needs to, not me, but somebody else. , Because yeah, those are the
places that really need, that. And if somebody will go to, Capitol Hill and work
on all the politicians, that would be great too.
So thank you for doing that. Sure. I
Mallory: was pretty resistant until recently about that. And, in my twenties, I
worked for a massage school that was a corporate massage school. And so I had
some healing work to do after that experience about my mindset towards that.
And what has shifted for me lately is some of my dear friends are in corporate
and they're also clients.
And I thought, oh my gosh, they need this more than anybody., Right. In my
mind, I was being a little salty about it. , But once I started that offering, it'sactually going really well and it feels really good and true, but it took me like 10
years mentally to get to the point where I wanted to do that.
And that's kind of a newer thing too. But yeah, wellness events are really a nice
way to connect with [00:41:00] people and they can be tailored , to be more or
less woo woo to whatever's appropriate for that group, right? Because we're all
in different places on our path. And so if the place that makes sense to that
group is.
Let's lay down and talk about how the brain works whenever you're laying
down versus sitting up and how that , can affect cells. That's fine. , That's great.
Let's go there. Let's go to the space that makes sense for where they are. And it
could be the other extreme of, Hey, your dead grandpa just popped in.
You want to talk to him? I mean, it's a wide array of things that can happen.,
But one of the skill sets that I am continuing to develop is intending to meet
people wherever they are. And if they're scared of energy work, that's okay. I
was scared of it for a long time too. I can relate to that.
Or if they have migraines and they are not in the mood for reiki, they just want
their headache to go away, great. Let's do some cranial sacral. That's a great
offering. And also between us girls, I know that does open up spiritual stuff for
them too, to whatever point they're willing and they choose.
, But [00:42:00] it's really neat. So there's all these different access points and
educational points for. All the beings that are earth side right now and beyond.
It's a really, really cool time to be alive.
Tianna: . Yeah. . I totally agreed. Yeah. And we need more people like you
who are able to be a bridge.
You're such a great bridge. So again, going back to that foot in both worlds, like
you said, you can speak to people, wherever they're at in a relatable way and be
an access point for something that would've otherwise seems scary or out there
and now feels comfortable and safe and easy to, open up to.
So thank you. Of course. Thank you.
Nicole: And speaking of easy, you are just such an easy person to be around.
You're such an easy person in my experience, to connect with, to talk with, and
then it feels very, very comfortable to receive from you. Through cranial sacral
reiki, hands-on. And I so look forward to continuing to send people your way.And also I'm interested in taking the cranial [00:43:00] sacral 1 0 1. Absolutely
Mallory: lovely. Oh, it would be a joy to have you.
Tianna: Oh, I do want to ask one more question before we finish you
mentioned your website, center of ascension.com, and I'm curious about that
name and what that means for you.
Mallory: What that means for me, what I intend for it to mean. , The intention
behind that name was we are all ascending hopefully. Right. Or growing
Healing ascension to me means all of it, the umbrella of we are improving and
we're also being real with whatever we come with, right? So in my mind, it
looks like an umbrella and the human and the spiritual experience is under the
umbrella, whatever that means for each person.
And it would be an honor for me to. Hold hands and walk beside somebody at
the center of their ascension.
Tianna: Yeah. Beautiful. What a great description.
Nicole: Perfect. I'm, I am so curious how this has been for your husband, Ross.
Did you two meet? Before you were a reiki master doing [00:44:00] cranial
sacral. And so he went through this process with you.
Were you already neck deep in all sorts of woo woo and wonderful, healing
work? Where did he come in your journey?
Mallory: It is such a cool question. So, I was already way into the woo. I had
already done my corporate thing, so we've only been together seven or eight
years and we're both older, so well older than a young couple might be.
So he has this incredible skillset. He's an Aquarius. He's ENFP, like on the
Myers-Briggs, like Tianna, which is one of my very favorite flavors. He has this
beautiful skillset. His energy is here and it's big and it's broad, and he's very
accepting and very loving, and he's probably the weirdest person that I've know.
And I say that with huge respect. I love a weirdo. And he's so heart-focused too.
He is such a beautiful soul that he's been really good for me to help me lean
more into my weird, because I'll just say, Hey, I had this crazy experience. And
he'll go, really? I've [00:45:00] never heard of that. Instead of maybe partners in
the past would go, what?Uhoh, uh oh. Not interested in that. And so it's almost like the more that I
expand, the more he's jazzed by it. Even if he doesn't understand it. And he's
very cerebral, he's very science minded, which is cool. , We compliment each
other. 'cause I'm very right brained. He's very left brained.
But yeah,, he's along for the ride, man. He's just like, cool. What are we doing?
What does that mean? I don't know what Reiki is, but Yeah. Can I try some, it's
really interesting to watch his experience because it's very much the other side
of the point of mine, so we have a big overlap, but he's way more comfortable
with medical and science in these things.
. I'm way more comfortable with not knowing what time it is. Just very, very
different. Well, he doesn't know what time it is either, but in general it's been
really cool to have him as a partner because he's so open, even though it's not
really his thing, but he's really encouraging and really open to whatever.
Tianna: Do you think he would be comfortable with what you just said in the
podcast interview or, sure. [00:46:00] Okay. Sure. Yeah, he's very open. Yeah. I
want to make sure I get his permission when we're talking about him and
putting it up publicly. But I think it is really helpful, for people.
'cause I see that a lot with my clients . That their partner is. , Also, I like way
into Woo. I'm like, oh, way into woo.com. That could be, there you go.
Somebody's business. I got as
Nicole: big into website names. Yeah. So many
Tianna: names. How many? Probably already taken many websites.
Nicole: Domains Do you own?
Tianna: Yeah. I know that I'm not using. Right. But I think that it's really
relevant. A lot of people are like, oh, my partner's not into this, , but like the
perspective of no, it's really complimentary and it's good to balance one another.
We don't all have to be exactly in to the same thing to form partnerships.
So
Mallory: Yeah, big time. Big time. Yeah. Well, he is not into the same things,
but we're into each other and there's a lot of love and support, which is cool. I
haven't had that type of partnership until him, and it's. A relief, and it's a great
joy to be with somebody so open-minded.I [00:47:00] mean, I joke with them all the time that how in the world did I end
up the cleanest and most responsible one? And I did not see that in our
relationship. I was like, I did not see that coming. I mean, I'm pretty clean and
pretty responsible, but
Tianna: You're a Virgo!, come on. True, true.
Mallory: Yeah. But, and I guess , when I was dating, when I was younger, I
was God's little dandelion.
Right. And now it's him. He is this beautiful od cosmic, he's way out. He's very,
very Aquarian, which I'm a double Virgo, so those are pretty opposite. And
they, it actually works. It's pretty cool. And so you might, if you have clients
who experience that too, I mean there's a lot of benefit to being totally different
from your partner, a lot of benefits spiritually and otherwise.
It's pretty cool.
Another interesting thing, if we have just another moment more, he specializes
in molecular hydrogen therapy, which is , an alternative therapy that's used
almost everywhere besides the states.
Right? But that's what his training is in. And so it's cool because, through his
line of work, I have [00:48:00] access to hydrogen machines, which hydrogen is
also called the God molecule. So there's something very spiritual or energetic
about that molecule. And when I am on that type of therapy, you breathe it like
a gas, it's like breathing oxygen, no smell or anything.
When I am using that for myself or with clients, I feel like my channel is more
clear. So there's something really interesting in the spiritual world going on with
hydrogen too, that I have not figured out yet. But, that's his main thing because
it has huge physical benefits. But through his beautiful medical, scientific brain,
I am getting these spiritual benefits of this therapy that I don't know how it
works, but it works for
me.
Mallory: And I use it with clients as well if they're open to it., And it makes
cranial sacral work better too. So there's definitely something there. I don't have
words for it, but there's something there that's really cool. If you guys want to
try it, you'reTianna: welcome to anytime. I do. I've never heard of that.
Oh my gosh. I'm like, yeah, I do want to try it. That's so interesting. That was a
Nicole: thing in your office that looks like an oxygen tank, correct?
Mallory: Yes. Yep. It's a [00:49:00] machine. Yep. And , you put on a nasal
cannula,, like you see when people are having oxygen and it's one third pure
oxygen, two thirds pure hydrogen.
So you actually get a little lift of oxygen based on ambient air. It's a little more
than that, which helps the brain. But then the hydrogen part is what I'm so
interested in finding words to describe it. 'cause I don't have them yet, but I can
feel it. I can feel the energy of it. It's something very different.
Nicole: Does he have a website that people
Mallory: can get?, He will shortly, yeah. He's featured on mine right now, but
we're about to do a glow up for both of it because I do use that therapy and I
often refer clients to him to learn whatever's going on physically.
So like hydrogen can make stem cells in the body, if you do it like six to 12
months, your body will actually create stem cells. So for those more medical
cases,, I send my people to him and then he educates and he's an instructor and ,
he's deep, deep in that world. But from my perspective, it's just cool to have this
quirky science guy bring in this tool.
That to me is a magical, energetic [00:50:00] tool as well.
He has done special training for molecular hydrogen to become an instructor. ,
So yeah, he's deep in the biohacking stuff. Mm. Beautiful. , That's his deal.
Tianna: Well, thank you so much for making the time to talk to us today,
Mallory. I'm so happy we finally had you on.
Mallory: Thank you so much for having me. I respect you both so much
personally and professionally.
This is a real joy. Thank you.Nicole: Thank you, Mallory. It has been such a delight talking with you and I'm
looking forward to more. Yeah, absolutely.