Sarah Valentini & Lizzie Martinez, Homeopaths & Teachers at the School of Intuitive Homeopathy
🌟 What if there was an approach to health that worked with our bodies instead of against our bodies? In fact, there already is! Homeopathy is a safe, gentle system that reconnects us with the 🌿 natural intelligence of the body.
In this episode, two powerful Homeopaths, Sarah Valentini & Lizzie Martinez, share their approach to health, which goes far beyond matching remedies to symptoms. It’s about listening, attuning and connecting with what the body & soul are truly asking for.
We talk about the healing journey as a form of soul evolution, the unique needs of sensitive kids and how homeopathy can support families dealing with conditions like autism, PANS and PANDAS. We also explore the energetics of disease and why true healing often begins with presence and trust.
Highlights:
How Homeopathy stimulates the immune system & addresses the root cause instead of suppressing symptoms.
🧬 What if each disease carries a developmental function, rather than something to fight against?
⚔️ Why the war mentality around viruses & bacteria is outdated & counterproductive to true healing.
💖 How self-love can shift the energetic terrain of the body - especially in cases like chronic strep & autoimmunity.
Why does Lizzie believe Intuitive Homeopathy is “on the forefront of the paradigm shift in medicine”?
🌑 What role does shadow work play in physical healing & how can homeopathy support us in facing what we’ve been avoiding?
🌙 What happens when we slow down and listen to symptoms instead of rushing to fix them?
🌡️ Can disease be a spiritual initiation?
How does Homeopathy foster more sovereignty in your health and in our society?
🌀 Why fighting symptoms may delay deeper healing & how meeting the body with curiosity and compassion changes everything.
LIZZIE MARTINEZ & SARAH VALENTINI both teach at Homeopathy Hive, a homeopathy collective specializing in complex kids & their families (HomeopathyHive.com) as well as at the School of Homeopathy, integrating an intuitive approach with a traditional homeopathy foundation - creating a new paradigm for the future of medicine (IntuitiveHomeopathy.org).
LIZZIE MARTINEZ is a Board Certified & classically trained Homeopath who provides Functional and Integrative Medicine for Adults, teens and children. She’s also a visionary, author & teacher leading a new era in medicine. LizzieMartinez.com
SARAH VALENTINI is the Director at The Family Apothecary & is a qualified classical homeopath & intuitive healer. She’s been in private practice for 15 years & has a great interest in developmental & behavioural disorders such as Autism, PANDAS, PANS, ADHD, sensory processing, tantrums, emotional dysregulation & rage. TheFamilyApothecary.com.au
TIANNA ROSER is an Usui Reiki Master Teacher, Soul Plan Practitioner & Certified Clinical Hypnotist specializing in Past Life Regression, Life Between Lives Regression & QHHT. https://www.awakeningtransformation.com. 💖 Her book “Awakening Transformation: A Beginner’s Guide to Becoming Your Higher Self” is filled with practices to lighten your spiritual journey & accelerate growth: https://www.amazon.com/Awakening-Transformation-Beginners-Becoming-Higher/dp/1737705303
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TRANSCRIPT
Tianna: [00:00:00] Welcome, welcome. I'm so excited to have this conversation with these two ladies today. One of our guests, Lizzie, she's been on our podcast before. I think I don't know at least a couple years ago. It's been a while. I think it was season six. I'll definitely put a link in the show notes so people can go back and definitely listen to that one as well 'cause it'll be really helpful and super fascinating to listen to.
And then we also have Sarah today. And so I really want to hear from you, Sarah, a little bit about your practice and how you came to do the work that you do.
Sarah: Thanks, Tianna. So I've been a homeopath for, about 15 years and I was using homeopathy. Before that also, but I was always interested in working with children and I guess through my own child and his struggles, I started to go deeper into that, into the process of working with children, with behavioral and neuro immune issues.
And, I really felt like actually early on in my practice, [00:01:00] because I have a long history with meditation and spirituality. And then early on in my practice, I started to implement some of that and find that I would uncover so much information, almost more information than I knew what to do with early on, to be honest.
And, that was through meditation and tuning into the person that I was working with. So yeah, I just kind of evolved that in many ways. And then I met with, Angelika Lemke and she was working like that, and so I really expanded., I actually almost feel like I had permission to work like that when I started working with Angelika as well.
And that just kind of gave me license to really expand into working with children. And I've particularly always been fascinated with the Nons speakers because, , I just so deeply, intuitively felt like there's so much actually that they know and that we don't listen to or we don't know how to listen to.
, But I guess I kind of felt like I, , would develop [00:02:00] that . A ability to listen, ability to tune into what they were saying, to what their issues were. And so this has just been unraveling in my practice. I have a practice in Australia and also co-founded Homeopathy Hive, which is based in the US where we basically focus on working with pediatric cases, complex pediatric cases with autism, and pans and Pandas and A DHD and children and their mothers as well, of course.
But the process of really sinking, into, and really deeply listening, with all of our senses to these children and to what they have to say. Often if we have a non-speaker, they'll come, their mother comes of course, and tells us the story. But that story or that case can be charged with what that mother feels needs to be healed.
And they're often things, that she may be most uncomfortable with. And when we listen to the child and we can get a deeper sense of what actually needs to be healed in their highest good, we can either marry these two [00:03:00] things together or we can help the mother to resolve what's uncomfortable in her and also help that child or actually sometimes really learn from that child.
I have a few children where I really feel like you are my teacher actually, and I just need to listen to you. So that's it in a nutshell.
Tianna: Wow. There's so much that we can dive into there. But I guess before we do that, let's, go back I'm sure that some of our listeners haven't been listening since Lizzie's was on before and might not know a lot about homeopathy.
Lizzie, do you mind giving us a little, shorter or easy to understand, , summary about homeopathy?
Lizzie: Yeah. Homeopathy is a system of natural medicine. That was founded or developed in the mid 17 hundreds in Germany by a German physician and chemist named Dr. Samuel Hahneman. And then later by his wife, Melanie Hahneman, they expanded that base of knowledge.
And it's basically, [00:04:00] today what we would consider energy medicine. It's based on the principles of the law of similars. And it's all the substances come from the three kingdoms of nature, animal substances, plant substances and minerals, as well as many other energetic and frequency substances that we might call imponderables.
And it's a widely practiced system of medicine throughout the world as part of the national healthcare system of a lot of the world. It was pretty much suppressed in the United States, but never went away and is really making a huge resurgence now. And, we love it because it
can be called the Rapid gentle Cure. It is a very gentle system of medicine and it just excels in a lot of areas where, other types of medicine can't reach, and particularly the mental emotional sphere. , It can be practiced in a lot of different levels.
You can learn about 50 acute remedies and become an incredible home prescriber and really keep your knowledge base there and that's excellent, right? It gives people a lot of [00:05:00] power. It's incredibly cost effective. And you can take it, work with the homeopath and your own intuition and take it into bigger and bigger, deeper, deeper realms of healing through dreams and, complex illnesses.
I mean, it really doesn't have any kind of bounds on it at all. So, it's an endlessly fascinating system of medicine.
Tianna: Yeah, it really is just , from the time that Lizzie was on before till now we've become good friends. And I didn't know you at that time, and it's really like in the time that we've become good friends and you're a part of this, , healer sisterhood that I'm a part of, this small group of women, I'm so fascinated whenever you talk about homeopathy and all the different applications of it that I didn't even realize, , it is super, practical and, yeah, it feels safe and gentle, like you're saying in the way that other modalities sometimes can seem scary.
Like you said in the United States, I think it's a matter of educating people [00:06:00] because we don't hear about it or we haven't for much of our life. Sarah, I'm curious. So in Australia then,. As a child, did you know about homeopathy? Is it that well known there
Sarah: no? No, not at all. In fact, it's probably less well known than it is in the US.
Tianna: Oh wow. Yeah.
Sarah: Yeah. And, I learned about homeopathy 'cause I was living in Amsterdam, in the nineties and I got sick and my partner at the time went to the pharmacy and got me some medications and came back with pills. And I never really took pharmaceuticals very much 'cause I was very sensitive to them and I would always have some side effect or whatever.
So,, I'd suffer through. But he went, 'cause I was quite sick , and came back with these little pill and I took them and I was just like, oh my god. I'm feeling better and I don't have this horrible feeling that I would get if I took pharmaceuticals. And so I was completely fascinated and fast forward a few years, I started to study it.
Tianna: Wow. So yeah, let's dive [00:07:00] in. , Sarah, you already did dive in some, so I do wanna back up for maybe, a few terms that you used that not everybody might know. Like I know the first time I heard pans and pandas, I didn't know what that was. Could you, share a little bit about what that is?
Sarah: So Pandas was first, found by Dr. Susan Suedo in the us I think it was in the early nineties, maybe late eighties, that she made the correlation that children that were presenting with neuropsychiatric symptoms such as ticks and OCD ritualistic behaviors and major anxiety.
Also had a current strep infection. Hmm. And eventually they had antibody titers for strep. So she made this correlation that there was something about strep, but then this was expanded. So PANDAS stands for pediatric autoimmune, neuropsychiatric disorder associated with streptococcus.
But then they found that this was actually happening with other pathogens as well, so not just strep. And so [00:08:00] it was expanded to pans, which is stands for Pediatric Acute Onset Neuropsychiatric Syndrome. And really, it's a neuro immune disorder. So we are looking at the,, neurological system and the immune system.
And both are affected through, inflammation, basically in the brain.
Lizzie: Like autoimmune encephalitis. It's like a form of. Encephalitis.
Tianna: Ah, and how common is that?
Sarah: Well, actually the Pandas network, say in the us, it's one in 200 children that are affected.
Tianna: Oh, wow. And is that something, 'cause like now of course autism, , it's so controversial to talk about on all these different fronts, right? There's a lot of things going politically, and then we have the telepathy tapes, which I definitely wanna talk about with you guys. Anyway, so there's a lot of different perspectives as far as, is there an increase in autism or is it just because now we are able to diagnose it more so on and so forth?
And I'm curious about, pans, , if there have been an increase do we know that or not?
Sarah: I think there's [00:09:00] an increase for sure. And I'm seeing it like subtly, I mean, in Australia , it's very poorly known about, but actually ever since COVID, I'm seeing children more and more slip into like a pan state with really heightened anxieties and, anorexia.
And in many ways, we could say, all the stress of COVID or whatever, but actually, we have to make the correlation as well between what was happening with our immune systems at that time. And I mean, all sorts of planetary influences and big plan, all of the, , undercurrent of stuff going on, toxins in our environment, all those things.
Contributing to basically a disordered immune response in the children because that's what's happening. It's a disordered response to a pathogen such as strep. And we're not having the normal kind of, get a sore throat and, pus and things on the tonsils or whatever.
It's like going straight to neuropsychiatric symptoms.
Tianna: Okay. [00:10:00] And so, you said, there's all these factors that could be affecting it. And you mentioned sort of spiritual as a factor there or did I hear, planetary or something like that?
Yeah. Do you feel that all of this is happening for a higher spiritual reason or is it accident or is it destined or a little of both.
Sarah: , That's a really good question, isn't it? I think, 'cause Lizzie and a few of us at the Hive actually did a constellation on pans.
, And maybe I'm not remembering this correctly, Lizzie, but one of the takeaway feelings that I had from that was that we are passing through this portal of really changing deeply, and our DNA really changing deeply. And it's almost like these children are part of this transition and they're kind of.
Getting put through the washing machine and, we'll see on the other side. But perhaps this is what they're having to pass through for this new immune [00:11:00] system, this new connection, this new level of consciousness. I don't know. That's just what I remember from our constellation.
Mm-hmm. Lizzie, maybe. Is that what you also remember?
Lizzie: Yeah, I mean I think it is a great question. 'cause we also believe as homeopaths that diseases have, developmental reasons behind them. Like we've seen in our, almost 300 years of literature that most diseases that pass through society have some sort of developmental function within society.
And so. We certainly saw that with COVID and that it had a developmental function. And we would say that pans pandas,, we like to ask big questions like, why is this happening to children?, When, Sarah and I are part of a global practice where we see kids like this all over the world, they all have the same patterns.
Right. And so you could say, , they have certain behaviors. It's like a constellation. We would consider it a multifocal disease where there's many different [00:12:00] aspects of it. And then you can also look at the labs and say, oh, wow. And they also have similar labs, right? The lab results. So you can see the kind of base, functionals the same.
And then the patterns of the disease is the same. And then we look into the family system. 'cause we say no child is sick in a vacuum, right? They're part of a family system. So then we look at the system and then we ask. Questions about the family system. We also ask about society, like why is this happening to children now?
What does this mean for our society?, And we start to see similar themes coming up, which is, what it feels like more and more is that the way things were doesn't work anymore. Right. That's one of the big ones, like the way that we gave our power away as parents, that we gave our power away to doctors, that we gave our power away and told people how we should treat ourselves and our children.
That is just breaking down. And the children really represent [00:13:00] that shift in a hard way. Right? In a really hard lesson. That's why it's such an incredible, multifocal disease to treat and become part of it because you're treating a lot of layers. The spiritual, the physical.
The family systems. And so yeah, the planetary would be part of , is there a whole new human coming, the whole new human evolution where we are in human evolution and that these kids are clearly telling us, this doesn't work for me, right? This is too much. There's too much on my system.
There's too many things, too many drug pharmaceuticals, too many antibiotics, too many toxins, , too much disconnection, too much pressure. All these things are too much. Too much. And we consider pans too much. Load the load is too much. Almost all our kids have that same, so it is a big cultural learning and particularly in, countries like the United States where we kind of lead in that thinking,
Tianna: so , are they, then the canaries in the [00:14:00] coal mine and we're supposed to learn from that and make adaptations , they're like messengers in a way.
Sarah: Totally. Yeah. They're totally the canaries in the coal mine.
Tianna: And it's such an interesting perspective what you're saying about, disease having a developmental function do you think, so is it always trying to help us evolve in a better way?
And then in the past, in our history, have we ever listened to that message and evolved? I don't know., I'm curious if you know of some cases in the past when there were some diseases or something, then we started to change or sanitation or different things.
So it like helped us. To develop?
Sarah: Yeah, and each of the viruses really can have a gift or a message, especially the childhood illnesses like chickenpox, and measles. Chickenpox , it's about resolving , what we call the soic miasm, which is basically our inherited predisposition to certain pattern of [00:15:00] illness.
And if we don't get to move through that, we don't get to resolve that part of us. So we sit in this kind of in between. Measles is about developing sovereignty and there's many cases and documented cases of a child that gets to resolve, actually move through measles. And so I know this is controversial at the moment in particular.
Yeah. But to actually resolve that, actually step into their sovereignty as well as. I can do this. , And the bacterial pathogens have a slightly different energy because they really kick up the shadow. And when you get to confront your shadow in many different ways, then we can grow, we can move forward from that.
And one of the problems I guess has been that we've had a war on bacteria, like we've squashed them down. We've developed a tension with bacteria through antibiotics and , there's a war going on. And so these kids are actually showing us , when they have a bacterial, infection at play that.
There's something here that needs to be resolved. There's something here that we need to come back into [00:16:00] harmony with because we have bacteria in our body all the time, same as viruses, , they live with us. But we have really come out of balance with them and come out of love with them and harmony.
So, , there are so many lessons to be learned through being unwell, but when we live in environment with so much toxicity, so much wifi and all of those things, these little bodies are just like crumpling under that stress and they can't resolve, , we have so many kids that sit in this kind of, in-between , with a latent virus.
A virus that's still active in their body, but they're not actually able to resolve. . And so, yeah, that's what we are seeing so much with these kids , and with adults too, and the rise of autoimmunity as well,
Lizzie: And I was gonna just , elaborate on what Sarah's sharing, which is, a latent virus that sits in the body.
You know what happens, what we see so much in pans, and we see it quite a bit in autism as well, is that the children aren't able to make a fever. The body cannot mount a fever. Because there's [00:17:00] been such a, we're in generation two or three of suppression and fear of disease. So just fear in itself is a form of suppression, right?
We are raised in a very fearful culture that fears disease, that fears fevers, right? We're taught to wow, quick give some fever, suppressor as soon as you see it, right? And so we're in couple generations of that plus antibiotics. And we have kids that have had maybe one fever in their lives, and a healthy child should have a fever every year, once a year.
What we see is that they have these latent diseases that they cannot push outta their body 'cause their body cannot mount the correct defense. And so when we actually work with them and they're finally able to make a fever, the fever is the body's. Strongest natural defense, it detoxifies.
And once they can finally make and break a fever, we see quite a bit of improvement on the other side.
Tianna: These are such fascinating things that you don't normally hear., I'm still thinking about the whole, , measles teaches you sovereignty and , I was like, wow, I've [00:18:00] never heard of these ideas before.
So fascinating. And the idea of a healthy child should have a fever every year. What about an adult
Lizzie: every year or every other year?
Tianna: Same with an adult, a healthy adult should. Yeah. Oh wow. You should get
Lizzie: a fever at every other year. Seems about typical for a healthy adult to get a fever.
Oh yeah.
Tianna: Wow. , I had a fever when I had COVID, but that was like. The last time I hope I'm not tempting the illness gods, but that was several years ago. So , does that mean I'm less healthy because I haven't gotten sick or had a fever?
Lizzie: , It really means that we rejoice when our body does it. And we say we're so proud, we're so glad oh, good body, you did a good job. You made a fever. And I'll encourage my clients and myself, get in the tub, get yourself really hot. Right. Drive your fever up, get out, bundle up, put a hat and socks on, drink some hot tea.
You want your body to break the fever. And [00:19:00] then people feel incredible on the other side most of the time, like clear, brighter, right. , It's same it's way that people go to infrared sauna. Right. To try to like, that's what I was thinking. Push, push up this internal heat. Right. You're trying to I was similar.
Principle was doing a while. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Tianna: Okay. That makes sense. . I think it's so important that we change, both of you were saying this about having this different, relationship with bacteria, with virus, with getting sick with fever.
Because yeah, that seems like the thing that we're battling and we're fighting against and we're calling it bad. And to change it, it reminds me of our relationship as a society with emotions. So many people don't wanna feel any uncomfortable emotions, and they'll take a pill just to not feel versus learning how to have a good cry is like allowing yourself to have the fever, allow yourself to go and just be held and hold space for that heavy [00:20:00] or lower emotion and move through it.
It seems similar, but on a physiological level instead of an emotional level.
Sarah: Oh yeah, totally. That's right. Like weird, squashing everything down to avoid being human or something. Mm-hmm. You know?
Tianna: Yeah, that whole toxic positivity to avoid, , the polarities that we came into experience here.
I love how homeopathy has such a holistic perspective , I love that you guys do such a thorough intake and that you're looking at all the aspects,, body, mind, emotion, spirit, and seeing how they work together versus just isolating and then, , missing like you said, there's a gift or there's an insight or there's a lesson that we can get when we see, a whole organism or a whole human being in front of us and all these different layers.
Lizzie: Mm-hmm. And strep,, Sarah, you can speak to this, you're really articulate about streptococcus and its role because, we see it so much in this Gen Z and the pans [00:21:00] generation of children. And maybe you can speak, share a little bit about what that role is in development. What do we see about it?
Sarah: In these kids with pans, 'cause they really show us what is the most uncompensated state when strep is really active in the body. And that is self-harm, self-hate, like self-destruct, big time. And so that will be self-harming and I saw that in my practice actually just, after COVID I've never had so many kids who were cutting themselves as I did after COVID.
And COVID did kick up , a lot of other,, infections in the body or tendencies to infection. But with strep, the journey is to come back into a place of self-love. It's just, it's to help resolve that. But it really does bring up, and I've had so many parents say, or a few parents have said,, it's almost like I can see that when streps active and I can see that darkness come over my child and , they wanna hurt themselves.
They wanna hurt me. They really dislike themselves. [00:22:00] And streps with us actually from fairly early on. It's so common in our world, in our environment. It's kind of like, the bacteria that there's no wonder it was the one that was found at first in terms of pandas and autoimmune encephalitis.
But yeah, it really is about embracing that shadow aspect. , The things that we don't like. 'cause anorexia is even part of the strep picture as well. It's like, I'll starve myself to be better or to be perfect or to be , the thing that I wanna be, that I think I should be. There's a lot of intrusive thoughts that can come when somebody has active strep as well.
And, you could think about this kind of layer in our society really where there's a lot , of that negative self-talk and I mean. I think social media is full of that and trying to be perfect,, trying to present yourself as perfect all the time, rather than embracing the fallibility and the fact that maybe I don't look like, I think everyone wants me to look like, or that looks good, or that's really presentable.
It's beautiful. , So , it's like [00:23:00] embracing shadow, deep, deep shadow and yeah, when, as I mentioned, we see that in the kids, where it's the most uncompensated, sometimes they just can't even leave the house. It's. Too much for them to navigate the world for them to like themselves in, , feel comfortable in their clothing.
And there's a whole lot of physiological reasons for that too. But yeah, strep is really about coming back to a place of self-love. We could also talk about, or think about strep, , as the autoimmune. I mentioned the word miasm before, which is our inherited predisposition. But strep really carries that kind of autoimmune, that self attack, aspect of illness, which is blanketing the world really like it.
Autoimmune illnesses are skyrocketing, and perhaps in many cases, , we can't say for sure, but strep is at play. And, it's back to that thing about, , we mounted a war Yeah. And we love creating wars, but we did with antibiotics. We kind of was just like, let's just destroy them.
Let's get them out. Those bad things, it's us against them. So, yeah, strep [00:24:00] is really about a journey back to self-love. And , if I have said before in many podcasts, if we could sprinkle strep or put it in the waterways, especially in war torn places, that perhaps then if we all came back to that place of self-love, we'd have a different world.
Really.
Tianna: Wow. That's, controversial and really amazing. Like to imagine,? Huh? Yeah. So, okay, one more before I jump into this. . What about cancer? It's so interesting how you've kind of , come to the conclusion about maybe some of the core lessons, gifts of each sort of disease.
With cancer, does it depend, I think of like breast cancer having to do kind of with being able to receive love, but is it different if it's pancreatic cancer or prostate cancer? Does the lesson depend on which part of the body it's connected to?
Sarah: Well, , I just have a little bit on this 'cause I don't work with cancer, but what I do know, going back to measles and actually there is research, that shows that [00:25:00] people that don't.
Get to resolve measles or don't get measles as a child are more likely to have cancer. And if we take it back to the lesson of measles is about sovereignty. And one of the things about cancer is lack of differentiation of the cells. So they forget how to differentiate and a tumor forms, right? So we have this kind of bundle of cells that don't know who they are, don't know their purpose.
And so if we take it back to, yeah, not resolving measles, not moving through measles , in a complete way., Maybe there is, some kind of correlation of that,, about sovereignty, about who I am in this world.
Tianna: Mm-hmm. That's fascinating. Do you foresee, I mean, I'm sure we all hope for this, that
people will start to hear about this , and do their inner work, do their homework, and that it might eradicate some of these, diseases if, enough of us [00:26:00] are creating those shifts in healing and as a society. Yeah, I
Lizzie: mean,
Tianna: absolutely. I
Lizzie: think, , hearing just first of all, for people to hear that there's other systems of medicine that work by addressing your body's ability to heal itself.
I mean that in and of itself is such a fundamental concept that is the literal opposite of how our whole entire country functions. , Allopathic medicine is at its core suppressive medication, right? Doesn't address the root cause, whereas homeopathy stimulates the immune system to resolve something on its own.
So I think just people understanding that that is possible and that there's a system of medicine that is based on that principle that is very accessible and easy to use, is just a revolutionary concept in and of itself, and returns people back to. More sovereignty, more independence, more healthcare independence, more, , robust immune systems.
Right. it can be everybody's home system of medicine for everything, and you can use herbs [00:27:00] and all of that along with it.
Sarah: Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. , I wanted to add, 'cause, I saw this meme somewhere somehow, but it was about measles and, there's been the current measles outbreak and everybody's running scared.
And actually, they showed a clip of the Brady Bunch and one of the kids comes home with the measles and then another one, and suddenly everyone's got measles in the family and they're just like, oh, he's all right, he's got measles. And then they showed a clip of a current show, like a crime show. I dunno what it was, but.
Oh my God, she's got measles and then there was all this shame around, isn't she vaccinated? And then this baby in the hospital who's about to die. And , that whole shift in perspective about disease since the time of the Brady Bunch, to now and what we're being fed about illnesses. And one of the things is we have to look after our bodies, right?
Like we do have to be able to have an appropriate immune response to something like measles. And, these illnesses, they do in some cases cause complications, that's [00:28:00] for sure. But if we look after our bodies, if we have a whole. Approach to health that is with our bodies, not against our bodies.
Mm-hmm. And, that creates a whole different system, you know? But we didn't seem to have the fear back then. Well, the Brady Bunch didn't seem to have the fear
Lizzie: And that wasn't that long ago, which is really interesting. You know? What is that like 40 years ago that that . Show was on. I mean, I think it's also, when we use the language of fear, war on things, eradicating things from the body, squashing things from the body, there's no way to do that.
They live inside us. What do we have? Trillions, trillions of viruses and bacteria in our body. And if we just. Learn to live symbiotically with them. Mm-hmm. Then we're not at war on any part of ourselves. So it is just educating our clients that this is part of us. We cannot kill some part of us.
We have to actually learn how to be regulated and immune [00:29:00] and tend ourselves. Right. , And immune, balanced enough to be in total symbiosis with everything that's within us. Yeah.
Tianna: Yeah. If we could start with our body, then it also, , can go to with each other and with the earth and with all living beings.
. Like you're saying, it's the same core cause that we're fighting with everything and we're seeing it as the enemy and we're trying to conquer it instead of work together and honor and integrate and balance.. Yeah. Yeah.
Sarah: And if we mirror that with wartime and, on that kind of collective perspective too, like that's why , there's many remedies I think, that could do with being put in the waterways, , especially in the wartorn countries.
But, if we can truly deeply find that place of harmony and love within ourselves, then we don't need to particularly project that onto something else. Yeah. Self hate. Yeah.
Tianna: Yeah. , Since you both work with, children that have autism, and the telepathy tapes is such a big deal [00:30:00] and there is some controversy.
I'd love to hear from each of you what your perspective, is on the telepathy tapes or how you felt when you heard it, or, what is I guess the overall perception in the homeopathic community,, there's probably a lot of different perspectives, .
Lizzie: Well, I'll start.
I felt incredibly excited to hear it. , First off, Sarah and I have been working with kids,, non-speaking individuals with autism for, 15 years. So we've seen a lot of these kiddos and young adults and adults around the world, with this constellation of symptoms.
And we know them to be complicated cases. We know them to be complex, sometimes difficult cases, where we're supporting, really what can be very hard behaviors, that are exhibited by the child. In many cases, the family is very strained, by the behaviors of the child and the needs of the one child.
And so we work, tirelessly really, to bring kids into balance, to help the whole family, to address what comes up, to [00:31:00] try to smooth and do what we can to help bring functionality to these kids. And I think we all always felt,, and Sarah probably more so than I, 'cause she was more tapped into her intuitive.
Self in her practice. And I was much more of a clinician, just seeing cases going in a more, classical manner of prescribing. But we all knew that these kids , had some other levels of perception. Right. It was just part of what we kind of felt into, , that there was, it was just uncanny.
But also when they're nons speakers, we don't really know what's going on in their minds. , We never really knew for sure. You might see something outward and you might think, oh, this child is intellectually disabled. Right? We would think that because we would not know based on the way that child was behaving or what they were attracted to or interested in that seemed different than their chronological age.
But yes, there's always been an, a heart-centered, loving, , approaching our cases with love and [00:32:00] tenderness and care for the family and for the child. And we've always, always been sharing our cases, trying to do things better, trying to approach it more safely, more gently, more effectively, many, many practitioners.
So what that podcast did for me was really confirm that they are not just in there, but they're very in there and that they are already communicating and beyond communicating with their parents. They're communicating with each other in the quantum. And it felt very exciting. Confirmatory, , wow, pretty much blew my mind to the next stage of where we're going evolutionarily as humans, right?
Clearly many of the nons speakers share this all humans have this capacity. This is where we're all going. We all have this level to tap into the quantum in this way. And so I listened to it with a lot of fascination and excitement. Then I went back and said, how can this serve me as a practitioner?
[00:33:00] Right? How is this gonna serve me? How will this help me to serve my clients better? And I really heard places where they struggled neurologically, and it helped me to understand how they feel in their bodies. Mm-hmm. Because we would just observe things and we would say, wow, he's running around and hitting his head on stuff.
He must have some sort of brain inflammation. And so to really hear the disconnection between the mind and body and that the body was not able to be, integrated, they couldn't regulate it. It was overwhelmed, really helped me as a practitioner understand the ways that I could support the neurological body, the physical body, so that they could be more comfortable in their bodies.
So , that would be where I would start in terms of , my first takeaway. What about you, Sarah?
Sarah: So, I remember , somebody forwarded this and said, you should listen to this. And it was the telepathy tapes. And I was just like, yeah, of course. , It all almost was like, this is not news to [00:34:00] me.
But I loved listening to it because there was so much confirmation of what I'd experienced. And in actually many ways, again, I almost felt like I had permission to go deeper because, the way that I work and guiding parents into a meditation and then tuning into their child myself.
Sometimes was less accepted. And there's some people that I probably wouldn't do that with because it would be like, what is she doing? And now I feel like, well, now that this is out there, I can safely do that. And that it is more deeply understood. So I guess it's like having that permission.
But I have, , this whole idea , of, then also as I mentioned at the start,, when we started talking today was about, the parents come and they tell us really what they need to be fixed or to change in order to feel more comfortable. , And a lot of the times this is incredibly valid because you don't want a child running around hitting their head on the wall and hurting themselves.
Like mm-hmm. You don't want that. You want your child to be able to, you [00:35:00] want to take them out where they're not completely dysregulating, all of those things, which is definitely what we can work with. But when we also really tune into the spirit and to the highest good of this child and to what this child might tell us, then we get this more well-rounded perspective of what else needs to be healed here?
What actually does this child wanna tell us? And more often I've found that it's. Well, I can give you an example of one child who I tuned into, and so I guide the mother into a meditation and I get her to close her eyes and we connect, I get her to connect with her child and she tells me a little bit about, , she just imagines them feeling, but sometimes I will say, okay, we are going to now imagine that you and I are in a room and we invite your child in and we invite the child in.
This is in the meditation, and we just see, we observe how that child approaches us in the room, and, some of them, they just walk right up and they're like, right, ready. And some are just like. What do you wanna know or peeking around the door. And all of this [00:36:00] informs their character and their energy field and how they are.
And this child, he was actually, like, oh no, yeah, sure, but you can come over here to me. And he was there playing with, he loves playing with sea animal toys, like obsessed. And there was a point in time where he would only go into one room of the house and he would be there all day with these sea animals and he'd move them around and he would line them up and he could spend hours doing this.
And so I observed him and I asked him questions in the meditation space about, what it is that's happening, or, is there anything that he needs to tell me? Is there anything I need to know? And he said, this is my work. And then I got this really strong feeling that actually what he was doing was for him, it was an important part of the quantum, these movements that he was doing with these animals, with the whales and with the sharks and with all of these sea creatures was his work.
[00:37:00] And the reason that he was so dedicated to it was because it was his contribution perhaps to the oceans, to the health of the oceans. I'm not really sure what it was, but it was his work and it was really important and. So I gave a remedy that,, matched this situation. And , he started to come out of the room.
He still does his work. But also the mother got to understand this from a different perspective. She got to see, oh, this is actually really important. This is important not just for him, but for what he's tuning into. Interestingly, this child, I saw him this week,, the mother showed me this picture where he had been drawing over and over, and this was at his school, this same picture, and she showed it to me and she said, is this the hill?
Because he'd been drawing this hill over and over again, and it had this antenna on the top of it, and there were a few kind of what looked like energy forms. I would say that's my interpretation around this hill. But it was just like, wow, like [00:38:00] this kid is incredibly tuned in and, there's so much more that I wanna know for him.
But just in tuning in like that could help him come out of the room, could help him, be freer in his work, could help his mom understand what it is that he's doing and what he needs to do and how he's kind of tuning into or how he's showing her. So that was pretty mind blowing,
Tianna: , I love that. Yeah. That's beautiful. And I wonder if that's something that you could teach, or, I'm sure you're probably sharing it with other homeopaths, I wonder if there's, this opportunity for more homeopaths to develop their intuitive skills to be useful or, , I think Lizzie, you work with our friend and sometimes guest co-hosts Nicole Parrish, like teaming up with psychics.
Sometimes people who do that for a living , are there, these new possibilities that are opening up of either, new ways to practice homeopathy that involve intuitive, abilities [00:39:00] or teaming up with others who specialize this way to help these,, nons speakers.
Lizzie: I mean, that's exactly what we do, which is so great.
Sarah and I teach for a school called School of Intuitive Homeopathy, and it was founded by our colleague, Angelika Lemke. , And it really, broke away from. What we would consider classical homeopathy, which is more mental right, more mentally oriented and says,, there's a certain way to prescribe.
This is how you think about things. This is how you look, remedies up, et cetera. And we really went this way because to us it feels more natural to be part of our own, to teach, not just develop our own intuition and intuitive skills, but also those of our clients. And we attract both students and clients who
want to develop that piece of themselves, right? Because homeopathy is ripe for intuition, because it's energy medicine, and it goes back to what you and I wanted to talk about, which is it's on the forefront of what I consider the paradigm shift [00:40:00] in medicine. So yes. , We teach for a school just about intuitive homeopathy, and we're a part of a collective practice that uses and values those skills quite a bit, that trains parents to practice that way, and ourselves trains other practitioners.
So it is the forefront of medicine to use our own intuitive skills,, to both be in relationship with our clients, and our students, and then also in relationship with our medicine, right? Because our medicine is incredible, in terms of its potential.
Tianna: I am so excited about that. This is amazing. And , I wasn't planning to share this, but I will share this, which Lizzie knows is that when I heard the telepathy tapes and I got really excited about it and, I don't know which episode I was in, but I had just sat down and I was meditating and I was just thinking about this and I was thinking about The Hill and I was just curious and I was wondering when this energy came to me and it was this being named Winifred, [00:41:00] which I was like, oh, that's an unusual name.
And , I could really feel her energy. So I instantly trusted her because of her frequency. It was so loving, it was so warm and nurturing and gentle. And she had said that she's a being that works with those that go to the hills. She's a non-physical being that works with them. And, she felt pinged by my curiosity and
So I had channeled a bit from her and then I'd shared it with the Sisters of the Rose, healer group that Lizzie is a part of. And so is , Nicole Parrish. And I said, oh, , if you guys have a few questions that you want me to ask Winifred I'll try ask her.
And , one of the questions that Lizzie had asked was, how she could help,, the nons speakers that she works with and the message that had come through. Because Lizzie is amazing with her dream work. You've always been this dream worker. And, the message, which I just vaguely remember, but it had to do with connecting to your [00:42:00] patients, these patients, through dreamwork and receiving, messages from them there.
And so I just imagine this intuitive school, how you could teach, to work through dreams. 'cause that was one of the things they did talk about in the telepathy tapes. Whether people develop their, intuitive, abilities. Through meditation or they work on telepathy, like just all the really amazing tools that could, be developed in this new world that we're moving into.
I feel so excited about that.
Lizzie: Yeah,, I think Winifred shared, that dreams, which I have had quite a few dreams where I was being instructed,, from people., I wake up thinking, oh, that was the telepathy tapes, but it must be people from the hill instructing me. But it's more about quantum physics, like it was showing me points and saying, you think that this point is here, but it's actually not linear. So it was more in physics instructions I've had in several of my dreams. But Winifred shared to start to., Use [00:43:00] symbols and notice symbols with my clients that they might start to communicate with me more in symbols as I start to practice my telepathic, skills more that I should tune into them and watch for symbols, because they might do that first with me because they know that I'm just learning it.
Right. So , they're being slow and letting me come on with teaching me symbols first, which I thought was really neat.
Tianna: Yeah. Like a common
Sarah: language. I was just gonna say that, , I think to me it can come in symbol or sound , and even dreams, for sure, definitely, and it's all about sometimes, , I'll get a sensation if I tune into somebody and it's a matter of interpreting and almost sitting with what is this and asking what is this, what do I need to know about this in order to help this person that I'm working with right now too? Right. And symbols too. , Yeah, it can come in any of those forms, which is super exciting.
Really. It's like decoding something really interesting.
Tianna: Yeah, how this can push us, , first from necessity, like [00:44:00] health reasons to finally, develop more spiritually and for that to become more commonplace. And I would love for those, intuitive abilities to blend into everything, that lawyers are using it and that, I don't know, insurance, I don't know, maybe I don't want insurance to still be around.
But anyway, all of these different systems that we have, , if that could somehow, make us, , be able to serve each other better, to understand one another better through developing our intuitive gifts. That's the world that I'm imagining that I wanna live in. I was wondering,
lizzie, you were saying that when you listened to the telepathy tapes and just the explanations that they were giving about what they experienced, how they experienced in their body, it gave you clues to better understand. I was wondering like, oh, what if some homeopaths could connect with those spellers from the telepathy tapes and ask them questions 'cause so many of them seem like they really want to help, they wanna help others like them.
If you could connect to them and maybe [00:45:00] find some common symptoms or experiences that they would be able to, share that might help further inform how you can,, help other nons speakers.
Lizzie: Absolutely. I think just this weekend when I was just,, working with our colleague Angelica on a homeopathy retreat for our school.
, And Sarah was doing a retreat as well in Australia for our Australian students. And so , it was a big homeopathy weekend for us this past weekend, and we were in Ashland Oregon, and we saw that coming to Ashland next week is one of the homeopathy, , tapes participants and his mother who interprets, for him using the spellers method.
So yes, I think absolutely checking in and asking really direct questions is gonna be very helpful, because , so much help coming through and , one of the things that. Just on a practical level that I noticed with a client was,, it's really common in the world of autism for kids to want to do what we would call stemming, particularly with noises.
Like, this child wants to always turn [00:46:00] the vacuum on or push a hand dryer,, or turn frequent, radios on and off like that. And we used to look at that in our practices,, oh, they're just getting information. They just wanna entertain themselves, or they're just trying to feed some kind of need.
What really came out in the telepathy tapes for us to understand was that they have so much frequency coming in. So much information and information is just frequency, right? So many frequencies that a lot of times they're creating other frequencies to what I perceived in this child to try to mitigate some of these frequencies that are some of this that's coming into them.
So wanting to constantly be doing the vacuum cleaner, is a way to make a,, because imagine the amount of information that's coming into them. Mm-hmm. So we're both as practitioners trying to make them more solid, right? Mm-hmm. Like how can I make my client more solid so that they are not spin being so penetrated by these signals.
And then [00:47:00] also in homeopathy, we have a lot of remedies called imponderables. So we have remedies made from. Actual substances, minerals, plants, et cetera. But we also have remedies made from frequencies. We have colors, we have remedies made from sound frequencies, , whale song. And so, to we all as practitioners.
When we collaborate, we think about, so that child, I started to give him blue, the color I gave him. We have a remedy called Dolphin Sonar, which is a frequency. So I started to give that child more frequency remedies to help him integrate some of this frequency that he was dealing with. At the same time, I'm kind of trying to push him up from the bottom and make him stronger, right?
So these are ways that we're marrying this information that's coming in and what we're observing,, and then what we're hearing from them, from the nons speakers and then using our incredibly paradigm [00:48:00] shifting medicine where we can really address so many aspects.
So imponderables are just incredible set of remedies that we have.
Tianna: Yeah. Going to, when you were saying like being overstimulated and frequencies, it just makes me wonder too. And then earlier, I think both of you talked about sort of this possible new human that, we might be evolving into.
And I know Lizzie, that you listen to, Pam Gregory like I do. And I think she talks about like the new human or human design, they talk about that in 2027, the rave children and so forth.
Anyway, this idea that. As we're shifting into higher frequency on the planet that we all might become overstimulated or already, right, with like you said, 5G and all of these other things, like some of what you're learning with these nons speakers, is it applicable to people just in general going through, awakening or a spiritual shift or evolution as a species
Sarah: [00:49:00] I don't know if you heard the interview that Pam Gregory did with VDA Austin, Veda Austin , actually heard the telepathy tapes and then she was like I want , the nons speakers to tell me about the water, things that she's doing.
, And this is profound 'cause I have a lot of, , spell to communicate children in my practice and. Everything that they say is channeled from a pure source of love. Like it is mind blowing. The things that they can tell us about connection, about being human. Actually, I dunno if I'm answering your question, but,, I just was called to say that they do hold all of that information.
It would be fabulous to actually connect and see what they have to say about homeopathy, as well. Because I think that , they do have so much wisdom. That's why I said at the start, it's like they will be our teachers if we can listen to them. They can show us the way through this.
Tianna: Yeah, I hope that some of you homeopaths can get on the telepathy tapes, 'cause they have that extra series and because you work with so many of them and it would be such a [00:50:00] wonderful service for more people to know about how homeopathy can help, this whole population of humans.
And, , because Lit telepathy tapes has gotten such broad, , distribution and listenership, it would be amazing to have homeopathy on there.
Sarah: Yeah, yeah, it would., I have another child that I've seen before who, , is a non-speaker, but she spells and she just says the most. Profound things.
Like it always brings tears to my eyes and every time I work with her, I actually just feel like this pure heart connection with her, and actually during this conversation, I've been thinking about asking her, because she's had homeopathy for a long time and what homeopathy has done for her is settled her body down.
Settled down so that, like Lizzie was talking about with, the. The kid who needs all those frequencies and things going to block out everything else, which I've seen with her as well for sure. But what we can do for them and we really need to be able to ask them [00:51:00] so what can we do for you?
And tune into what they're gonna say or they can use the spelling board or whatever it may be. But that would be, I think, incredibly promising for the way forward of how homeopaths generally and how we can help not just them, but all the children, I
Tianna: think. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I love that you keep.
Mentioning , the beautiful heart energy. 'cause you can feel that so much, listening to the telepathy tapes. It's really powerful that way. And it's sad that there is this like whole controversy, the spellers and all of that. And I think it goes back to the times that we're in, or even, yeah, like spiritually, but also, I don't know politically all these social things going on, but I'm thinking spiritually, of course, on this spiritual podcast is that.
Kind of what you're saying, I think our discernment for knowing whether something or not is true, is that we're going to feel it within ourself in whatever way people intuit, which for me is very much of a [00:52:00] feeling sense, but someone else , it might come in a different knowing way or sensing way.
But yeah, that's all the more reason why we need to develop our intuitive gifts because right now there's so much information out there and we can't just trust information itself. We need to be able, to know how to process it through our own inner truth, inner knowing. And there's people that are rejecting all of this information outright just because, , they read some really great, well-written logical argument against it or the science without also
being able to filter it through their own higher wisdom. And so I love that you brought that heart piece in because that's what I felt so much, I felt so much the truth of it. Through that, the love and just even like I said, when Winifred came in, which, , sounds really odd to some people, but when I felt that frequency, it was so beautiful.
I knew , it was an honest frequency that it had [00:53:00] integrity, , in her frequency. And, so I love that we're gonna, hopefully start working this way, with our health and our wellbeing pairing what you guys are doing in your school. I'm so excited. So how does that work?
Are there little modules of, like a weekend class or a week class, or is it something that , you're certifying people in yeah,
Sarah: there's a certification program at the school. Mm-hmm. If people want to, practices, or if they've not studied homeopathy before and they can get certification like that.
And,, there's also classes that people can take. There's intuition classes, but there's classes on the groups of remedies, as Lizzie mentioned, the plants, animals, minerals, and also the no zones such as strep, and the bacteria and viruses and things. So there's a few different,, ways that you can into the school.
We also have the post grad group, which is a mystery school type thing where you can kind of start to tune in to,, we do remedy provings . Where , you can, be involved in that if you want. [00:54:00] There's lots of different things. At the school that you can tap into if you want to learn.
And , it is all homeopathy based. But at the retreat, that we both, \ had this past weekend in Australia and in Ashland, there was a lot about creating space for women to be tapping in, to be tuning in what's happening with us, to be tuning into what's happening in the group and also into substances.
We both did , homeopathic proving, which is, making the medicine and understanding what the medicine is for. It's a process, but we brought all of that in and so doing all of those things can really help you tap into your intuitive place and also your connection, also the connection of all things.
You really start to see that with Provings, right? Lizzie, like you really start to see how this deeply works and,, how we are attuned to a lot of these things around us.
Lizzie: Yeah, Tianna has actually been part of a iteration. Mm-hmm. I did a group ation at my office, and a iteration is, the actual physical taking of the substance [00:55:00] and putting it in a mortar pestle with,, milk sugar, which is how founder of homeopathy wrote for us to do it in the mid 17 hundreds.
So,, in our literature it's very clear about how a iteration is done, and now we do it similarly to that. Right. And you're passing the substance around and you're basically asking the substance, you're stepping into the field of the energy of this substance and asking with reverence.
What do we need to know? Right? What can you show us?, And what information, what can you share? And we've come into a loving field with the energy of the substance. 'cause we know, of course in physics, everything is energy. Everything. There is nothing that is not energy. And so all substances from nature have energetic signatures.
And when we open a iteration in a group, we were asking a substance to show us its energetic signature so that we may use it in medicine. , So which one were [00:56:00] you with? Tianna you did this with us. Was it Enchanted Rock?
Tianna: Yeah, it was Enchanted Rock.
Lizzie: Tianna was present when we did the ation for Enchanted Rock, which is, it's a park in the middle of Texas that has a very huge, what's called a Precambrian exfoliation dome. It's a huge mountain. , And it's a sacred site.
And, , there's actually one very similar in the middle of Australia called Uluru,, which also has its own. , Substance remedy, , made from that rock., And Enchanted Rock has never had a remedy made from it. And so Tianna was actually present when we did the iteration in my office., And it's a really beautiful process to come into communication with both a place and a substance.
And to hear, like I said, the energetic signature of that and to feel it, , and to explore it together with a group. It's very, , it's also a listening practice. And then what we did at the retreat this past weekend with Angelica is we triterated a substance. Another [00:57:00] stone. And from the themes that came up from that, we actually did a constellation based on the themes that we saw that came up.
We did a family constellation. So it was a really beautiful marriage of two inner powerful energy practices. And the themes were about land ancestors, colonized, colonizers. So big, big themes that we see on planet earth. , And family constellations, as many of your listeners might know, are powerful systems of quantum healing.
Tianna: Gosh, when you say colonizers, then I think again of what you're saying about our relationship with these, , bacteria and viruses , and we're kind of acting like they're,, invaders versus harmonizing, it's so much of the same thing, , and all of these different expressions.
It's so interesting. Right, right.
, Wow. I'm excited for this. . And I see how quickly everything's changing, how rapidly I can really imagine all of these things [00:58:00] becoming more and more commonplace in the next 10, 20 years.
Lizzie: Yeah, I agree. We're at the cusp of something that's about to shift big time.
Things are changing quickly and homeopathy is just prime to be. It is the medicine of the future. It is the medicine of now because it is changing as we change.
Sarah: mm-hmm. And it'll meet the frequencies. Homeopathy will probably, I mean, I, might be a little biased, but it will be the only thing that will , meet the frequencies of where we are going and where we're evolving to.
Tianna: I really do feel there aren't many, wellness, healing, modalities that are so open continuing to grow and evolve. the way that homeopathy is and it seems like there's some, other wonderful practices that are kind of set in their way, and there's something beautiful about that container, but also it doesn't continue to evolve, but it sounds like, homeopathy naturally, just even with these imponderables and things like this constantly growing and evolving and shifting as far as in the now, in the moment, what we [00:59:00] need that I don't really see, when we think of .
Western medicine and pharmaceuticals, it's driven because they want that money in the moment. Ooh, here's an opportunity to make a billion dollars. That's the only reason that they're developing this new medicine. Mm-hmm. Versus, oh, this is what people need and we're trying to find it.
Sarah: Yeah. Absolutely., And , Lizzie explained tation process, everyone who is involved in the tation process, I feel has a healing, has an awakening, or has an expansion of their consciousness in so many ways. And, collectively, if we are doing that in different places around the earth, I think that we will be locking in the new frequencies or that we will be keeping up with the new frequencies.
Of course, not everyone is gonna be there,, but certainly this process, I feel is very much , part of that
Lizzie: and we didn't even talk about playing remedies and sound bowls, which is something that we
Sarah: Oh, yes.
Lizzie: , Which is a whole other way to,, another use of many frequencies at once.
The frequency of sound and the frequency of water and the frequency of remedies. And [01:00:00] that's profound what I've seen from that.
Sarah: Yeah. Yeah.
Tianna: I love , how you describe it, using the word frequency and I think , it's becoming a lot more popular and people are, open to the idea of healing with frequency.
Sometimes maybe people don't understand homeopathy as frequency. And so I think that's a really great way to explain it that might open more people up to it and get them interested.,
Sarah: Yeah, it's evolving. Even homeopathy. I feel like it's just evolving fast now, and
I mean, I guess it's been around for hundreds of years, but suddenly it's timely. There is a big explosion of people studying and interested and , wanting to know more about it. So watch this space, I guess.
Tianna: Yeah. Beautiful. ,. Okay, so let our listeners know each of your own individual websites and also the website for your school.
Sarah: Mm-hmm. So we have homeopathy hive.com in the US and both Lizzie and I we are the senior practitioners at Homeopathy Hive and we have other practitioners working with us as well.
My practice in Australia [01:01:00] is the family apothecary.com.au and then we both are teaching at the school of Intuitive homeopathy, which is school of intuitive homeopathy.com. And Lizzie has her own practice too.
Lizzie: Yes, and also all those and lizzie martinez.com. That's my own website.
Tianna: I'm sure I can have you guys back on, like six months from now there'll be something totally new on the cutting edge that you're doing, so I'm excited to hear more.
Sarah: Oh, I mean, this has been such a great conversation, so thank you so much for having both of us here.
It really makes me feel so excited for the future, especially , when you can talk about things like this and let it be kind of expanded in the world and received,, so thank you. I feel like we could talk for hours more, but, well,
Tianna: thank you for making the time with the big time difference, , I'm so happy that you were able to join us.
Lizzie: Thank you. Yeah. Thanks for having us.