Human Optimization Strategist, JJ Ruescas
In this week’s inspiring episode, I sit down with my longtime friend, JJ Ruescas, for a conversation about growth, courage and living life as an experiment.
JJ’s journey is a beautiful example of what can happen when we let go of who we think we’re supposed to be and allow ourselves to evolve. From traveling the world to discovering new passions like breathwork and conscious leadership, JJ shares how small experiments - and bold leaps -have shaped his path toward greater authenticity and freedom.
We discuss shedding old identities, moving through fear and listening to the quiet pull of intuition. JJ's story reminds us that transformation doesn’t require perfection - it requires trust, curiosity and a willingness to step into the unknown.
Highlights:
🌍 How did traveling the world shape JJ’s spiritual journey and personal evolution?
🌀 What does it really mean to "shed identities" and allow ourselves to evolve over time?
💡 JJ shares why small, courageous experiments can lead to massive, life-changing shifts.
🔥 How do we work with fear instead of being controlled by it on the path of growth?
🧘♂️ The power of breathwork & how this simple practice became a gateway for JJ’s deeper connection to self and spirit.
🔑 Why learning to listen to your intuition is a key to unlocking new opportunities and authentic living.
💬 How honest conversations with trusted friends can serve as powerful catalysts for personal breakthroughs.
🛤️ What happens when you trust the unknown and allow life to lead you instead of forcing outcomes?
🧭 JJ’s approach to leadership - how conscious leadership starts with leading yourself first.
✨ How living with curiosity, openness, and courage can turn your life into a powerful spiritual experiment.
JJ RUESCAS is a Human Optimization Strategist with a background in Tech & Science, dedicated to optimizing the physiology, psychology, and emotions of individuals. He primarily works with organizational leaders, helping them accelerate their personal development to avoid becoming bottlenecks for their teams. His “HumanOps Framework” integrates Nervous System Optimization, mental, physical, and emotional fitness, trauma-informed practices, leadership, antifragility and psycho-somatic modalities. Learn more at JJRuescas.com.
TIANNA ROSER is an Usui Reiki Master Teacher, Soul Plan Practitioner & Certified Clinical Hypnotist specializing in Past Life Regression, Life Between Lives Regression & QHHT. https://www.awakeningtransformation.com. She helps Lightworkers step into their Soul Destiny through her spiritual mentorship program, Unlock Your Soul Destiny. 💖 Her book “Awakening Transformation: A Beginner’s Guide to Becoming Your Higher Self” is filled with practices to lighten your spiritual journey & accelerate growth: https://www.amazon.com/Awakening-Transformation-Beginners-Becoming-Higher/dp/1737705303
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TRANSCRIPT
Beyond the Illusion with JJ Ruescas
tianna: [00:00:00] JJ welcome. So happy to have you here. This conversation is
a long time coming.
JJ Ruescas: I'm so excited to have this conversation. Yeah, , we talked about
this for years probably, or at least several months. And now it's happening
tianna: Yeah, I mean, I think I've known you for probably like a decade,
wouldn't you say? Isn't that crazy? Yeah, and it's funny because we met through
couch surfing and it was through a shared love of travel and I've always just
really love, your energy is like super infectious,
JJ Ruescas: thank.
tianna: , more than anyone else I can think of that I know you have such a
strong desire to learn and grow and not just , like read books and learn and
understand things intellectually, but really to learn something through applying
it and practicing it and mastering it and I don't know anybody else that is, when
I first met you, you would do this, like every month [00:01:00] you were
devoted to learning something different for the whole month, you would focus
on it.
And this was a broad range of things, because I can remember like one month it
was juggling and then it was speed reading, and then it was meditation. Just
kind of a whole broad range of, of everything you could ever think of. How did
that,
JJ Ruescas: like going through a bazaar, it's like going through a bazaar and
you start just picking things you like, and you start putting it in, in your cart,
right? like that.
tianna: Yeah. What age did you start trying that?
JJ Ruescas: Actually 11 years ago right now, right? So theoretically, I'm from
85, I'm 40, theoretically that means 29 or so that I started, and I did not realize
that that was the way to get my mind hooked into this, dopamine, ,
consumption. , that thankfully had a purpose because we are all getting into
nowadays, especially with technology getting hooked into what I would call a, a
lower quality dopamine sources, right?
So in my [00:02:00] case, thankfully , my brain got hooked into this thing of
learning , in a structured way, not just aspirational.
tianna: Yeah, it's amazing and I mean really when we're talking about
spirituality, my perspective is that we are all here wanting to learn and grow
through this human embodied experience. And so you're just doing sort of the
fast track of like many, many lifetimes, many, many lessons in one lifetime
perhaps.
I sometimes would tell people that like, oh. Being an actor could be a, , fast
forward kind of way of evolving because each time someone plays a role, it'd be
kind of like a separate lifetime and so something like that, like you're
experiencing, or at least as far as the learning something, how to do something,
a method or understanding something.
But of course a huge part of, our human experience of growth comes through
our interactions and through learning, through our personal experiences, not
[00:03:00] just learning, techniques and methods wouldn't you say.
JJ Ruescas: The funny thing is that in order to learn to really learn, we need to
have interaction with another human. Otherwise, how do we know that we're
doing it the right or the, the proper way? There is no way is that there it is all in
connection with everyone, right? I would give you, a tool, if you would find a
spoon you use this spoon to just, I don't know, try to crack a coconut and you
think like, this is an amazing tool to crack a coconut. It makes no sense, but
according to you, it makes sense. I tell someone else will come and say, well,
you can use it to also scoop , your soup. Right? So those kind of things only
happen in interactions and we are teaching each other function or adaptive or
maladaptive ways , to cope with reality.
And it's interesting that you mentioned this thing of being an actor because, T
you have known me for a decade, so you've seen many facets, many identities.
And one of the things that people don't know is that I used to be a digital
nomad. Within that decade I [00:04:00] became a digital nomad. So every
location that I would arrive to live for two, three months, I decided to change
my identity,
tianna: I didn't know that piece. I remember the digital nomad phase because I
was like, oh, envious. Like, yeah, I wish I could figure out how to do that, but I
didn't know. You just mean you intentionally were choosing kind of different
personality traits or were you even going by different. Names or Oh.
JJ Ruescas: personality traits is the same guy called jj, but with different
personality traits. And this is the beauty, right? Because I used to drop myself
into locations where no one knew me. Therefore, I could even have the chance
of knowing different aspects of myself, which later became the realizations.
Like, oh, this identity is like having this white T-shirt. I can put it outside and
then put me another T-shirt. And then according, based on that behavior or the
other behavior. But at the end of the day, identity becomes just , a costume,
disguise for something that is deeper than that, right?
tianna: I love that perspective. [00:05:00] There's a sense of playfulness and a
sense of, flexibility and fluidity that I think that sometimes adulting, that we
sometimes lose and then, I don't know. What do you think about now,
especially, I guess I can't remember particularly back then if you were heavily
using your social media, but do you think it's harder to.
Recreate ourself in that way when everyone has access to whatever this JJ was,
through your social media presence and so forth, that if you were to try to be a
different JJ for the next six months in Bali or something, everybody would be
like, no, no, I know who JJ is because they've been following your social media.
Do you think , you could still pull that off now.
JJ Ruescas: That's a very interesting thing. What I'm noticing actually, because
at that time I was using, I was more consuming social media than being a
continuous producer nowadays, I produce a lot of content for social media, for
podcasts, for the [00:06:00] newsletter, et cetera. Right. And so,, in those
regards, it's interesting to even look at myself, let's say three years ago, two
years ago, one year ago, and see like, oh, look at that, JJ over that time.
Oh, he was so cute. he, he was, he was so cute at that time. Right? , first of all,
it's the self-reflection of myself in those stages. And you can notice the belief
system that JJ used to go by at that time, and maybe at that time that was a
functional, something that served him. Now, something interesting that I've
noticed, and going back to your question is that yeah, people, and including ,
ourselves, myself, when I see people online and something resonates with me.
We start projecting parts of us into, oh, I know this person, but it's not
something that we're doing rationally, cognitively, right?
It's like we're tricking our neurobiology and our psyche , to find closeness , with
that person. And so we start creating this image of this person in ourselves.
Now, this is interesting nowadays. Sometimes I, you've seen this, I'm walking
somewhere and then like, oh, are you jj? I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love your
sessions. [00:07:00] And will tell me something like that. , and it's so nice
because for the majority of people that say or do that, it is because I am
mirroring something that they admire in themselves and I just become a mirror.
And I just , remind that it's like, oh, thank you for seeing this in me.
This is also you. Thank you for seeing that. Right? And so with social media,
that is getting amplified. Therefore, , if a person. Connects , with a person that
they admire on social media, let's put it a profile on social media and avatar on
social media. They sometimes forget that that avatar is going to mutate, it's
going to evolve, it's going to change.
And sometimes we get hooked into one snapshot of this avatar thinking that it's
the all end of this personality when it's not. So that's a trick that we are all
navigating, learning to navigate, as a society.
tianna: Yeah, and you made me think, you made me think of something too,
because.. So like I said, initially I knew you as, travel jj and then like, , the
polymath jj, right? The guy who's, the [00:08:00] Renaissance man who
learning and knows all sorts of different things.
And then one day , my clients would come and I was like, oh, what prompted
you to schedule this, , past life regression or some kind of session. And they
would be like, I had this amazing breath work session at Casa de Lu, this guy
named jj. I was like, wait, jj.
And then I kept getting it from several different people and I was like, oh my
gosh. , it was so fun. was before then that we started discussing spiritual things,
but not initially. It was like, initially I didn't know that side of you.
And then over time it started to filter in more. But then it was really cool to kind
of see you step into this role as a facilitator, as a mentor, as a guide. 'cause I
always saw that in you and I don't know if you remember, but even, early on, I
used to say, because your energy is very infectious.
And , I would say like, you know, jj, you've got to be mentoring people or
sharing, , you're learning [00:09:00] all of these things. You need to share it.
And you used to push back about, your language about like, oh my accent.
People aren't going to be able to, I'm like, I can understand you perfectly fine.
I don't think that's an issue. I think that's in your head. Tell me about your
perspective of that evolution. I.
JJ Ruescas: this is beautiful that you're asking that because the identity that
you're seeing, and I think last time we were having dinner, it died a few months
ago, and now this is a new identity that is emerging, but it is less attached. I'm
less attached to the identity as if I would be less attached to this t-shirt, as I
mentioned. So what happened at that time when I was doing that kind of
devouring information and like just jumping into topic to topic , and learning as
much as I could, came from something interesting at that time, that identity had
a profound sense of lack or not enoughness. , I need to keep learning.
It's like, no, no, no. My accent is not good enough. , I'm not,, eloquent enough,
I'm not. I'm always finding some enoughness. That's the reason I was devouring
information, in hopes that the next book, the next [00:10:00] course, the next
mentor, the next retreat was going to give me enoughness. To take action into
something. So one of my good friends, , Ori, , for at least for two years, he was
telling me, Hey, you told me that you're going to do this. You're preparing
yourself. When are you going to do it? And that is when like that positive
pressure helped me to like, okay, he's right.
Because if I am just consuming information and not sharing makes no sense. I
mean, it's a waste of time. And so the act of sharing turned into a very
courageous act, first of all, not knowing first how to share, then who to share it
with. And then the third one would be in what format to share it with.
Because , we all dislike the annoying guy who comes and thinks , he's a mr.
Know it all. And he wants to drop a comment on something that you and I have
had those conversations with. I was that guy,
tianna: Guy or girl, women do [00:11:00] that same thing. Mm-hmm.
JJ Ruescas: yeah, yeah, yeah, .
tianna: I love what.
JJ Ruescas: that was a seven shift.
tianna: Yeah, I love what you just shared because I really think that now I'm
sure listeners, regular listeners of this podcast are tired of me talking about the
Aquarian Age, and yet it's a huge part of why all of our souls incarnated at this
time to be part of this big spiritual shift.
That's my perspective. And so the Aquarian age part of it is about us each.
Sharing our own unique gifts, being our authentic self in a way that is good for
the collective. So it's like balancing the individual and the collective and
honoring our unique individualism while utilizing it for the collective.
And so there's many more people right now who are trying to figure out how
they can be their authentic self and feel safe and that whole, like not
enoughness,, I know it's rampant in our society, but it's probably rampant all
around the world. And it's something that we're all we working through as
[00:12:00] souls, as humans on the planet.
And so these pieces that you were just mentioning, I think that that's the piece of
how we can learn to be our authentic self and feel safe expressing it, is through
learning how to discern. Like you're saying, who to share it with, when to share
it, how to share it, so it'll be best received.
I think a lot of us, I'm generalizing, but I know some of when I say my people, I
mean people who are similar to me.
JJ Ruescas: Mm-hmm.
tianna: had past lives where we were burned at the stake for sharing our truth,
right? And so there can be this deep,
JJ Ruescas: Right.
tianna: deep subconscious fear where we're not going to get murdered for
saying something , that's not the mainstream.
And yet it feels like we are, I can remember, , putting up a page where I had
some of my channeled messages and I felt , like my heart was racing and
nobody even saw, , I'd had to really share it with people even for [00:13:00]
anybody to find it. But I remember just putting it out there,
JJ Ruescas: No.
tianna: how scary it felt.
And it was not rational at all, but I think so many people are really wanting to
be here embodied on the planet as their unique beingness, as their soul, sharing
their gifts, and yet needing to figure out how they can move forward without
grappling with this fear.
JJ Ruescas: It's interesting that you mentioned this in the way that I used to
start, or the way that I started with putting content out there. It wasn't this
massive thing. Like nowadays you see me having this conversation like this a
few years ago, I was like, I was like stuttering. Right? I remember that one of
the. Key points in shedding the previous identities. And something I want to
point out is I love , that you are talking about past lives. Those past lives are not
only in time, it could be within the same time, same lifetime. Right? I work with
leaders of organizations who are changing identities. [00:14:00] It's like killing
or allowing our identity to die in some aspects, to reborn in a new way. I'm
going to talk about later on now that think about it, but we can talk about my
metaphor of the matryoshkas, the Russian dolls. Did I tell you about that one?
Right. So is this little doll that has another one inside on top of that, another one
on top of another one on top of, I see the identity growing like that, but it's
interesting.
It's not just growing egotistically. It's like shedding layers that allow a growth of
the consciousness or this spiritual aspect to be , more in tune with the rest , of
what's going on internally and externally, without disregarding the previous
versions, without disregarding them. going back to how I started, because I also
had that fear, and I remember that I said, you know, I'm going to do a seven day
challenge. I'm going to put every day for seven days. Something on, at that time,
Facebook long, long time ago. Well, Facebook was still a thing, right? I'm going
to put something on Facebook, but I was so, [00:15:00] so, so self cautious that
I said, I'm going to put it on stories. And I think that stories lasted for 15
seconds. For 24 hours and the day off, right? So I remember I bought a tripod. I
buying the tripod was in the first place. Like, so scary. I bought a tripod. Okay?
I got a tripod. I put the camera. I like, I know what I'm going to say. And I put
the phone there. I was like, okay, okay. 3, 2, 1, record. And like, hi, I am jj, and
today we're going to talk about something like this.
I don't remember what it was, right? And I'm sweating bullets through my skin.
Okay? It's on there. I get it now. The fear T the fear went to the tip of my finger
when I had to press send. I remember I clicked send. And I jumped out of the
opposite end , of the cell phone as if there was going to be an explosion, which
nothing happened, right?
And I said, oh, wow. And I think that two people watched my story, my mom
and someone else. I said , great, right? But then since I had this commitment of
doing seven days, then the next day there was still fear, but [00:16:00] less fear,
third, less fear, fourth less fear. And I was changing the topics, which is
thankfully something that I do.
Even though, like you mentioned, I was learning one topic , every day. And
therefore every month I was never the same. So I always had something to talk
about, about my experiences. Guess what? The challenge of seven days never
stopped. Nowadays I have people that tell me, please just stop talking out loud
with the opposite extreme. that identity had to shed. And then you have seen me
now creating more content and now you're seeing me in two facets. First when I
quit, then the corporate world, that was another one that was freaking scary.
And I had to hold onto something that just , the biology of , because biology is,
I have this saying which is fear is biological.
Courage is spiritual, fear is biological. Courage is spiritual. And I remember this
same friend of mine, Ori, , we are about to get into a Joe Dispenza retreat like
the day before.
tianna: Can I stop you for one second?
JJ Ruescas: yeah,
tianna: [00:17:00] because I didn't catch, you said it twice, but I still didn't
catch You said fear is biological core. Oh, courage. Okay. , yeah, I thought you
said core issue. Okay. . And see, this is the thing, like it's okay if you have to
repeat something and it's not a big deal, right?
So,
JJ Ruescas: Yeah.
tianna: okay.
JJ Ruescas: I'm using kind of a French accent.
tianna: No, no, no. But it was important because if I didn't catch it, then maybe
some other listeners didn't catch it and I wanted to make sure. So
JJ Ruescas: for, thanks
tianna: fear is biological. Courage
JJ Ruescas: courage
tianna: is spiritual. Okay. Now go back and start your story again. Sorry.
JJ Ruescas: right? So for years, I was telling myself that I was going to quit ,
this tech job, and I was going to do the thing that I wanted to do, which at that
moment, I didn't know what it was. , I knew that was learning and sharing.
That's the only
tianna: Mm-hmm.
JJ Ruescas: And I remember wrote my resignation letter like five years before
to today's event. So the resignation letter is ready on the mail, draft about to get
[00:18:00] sent. Right. And again, you know where all the fear went, right? All
that is here. But for five years . That email was stagnating there. Five years, T.
tianna: Wow.
JJ Ruescas: so
tianna: Five years.
JJ Ruescas: about to get into this Joe Dispenza retreat with my friend Orian.
And we're walking on Marco Island, beautiful beach, and we're getting to his
car and he says, jj, you've been telling me this for years, that you're going to
quit. And I remember, , I just stopped. I looked at him, I grabbed my phone. I
did not even go to the mail. I went to the chat that we had with the team and I
texted the manager saying, you and I knew that this was going to happen. I'm
quitting.
tianna: Wow.
JJ Ruescas: hit send. And I look at ori, he looks at me, what did you do? And
this flow of energy went through my body immediately. Like that's a moment
that another identity shed. That's a moment that another identity just was gone.
tianna: Wow. [00:19:00] That's powerful. Yeah. Feel the fear and do it.
Anyway. I remember that book title is the Great
JJ Ruescas: plan. I had no plan. I have no much savings. I have not a, a
structure. And I said, I'm going to find a way to make it or allow the way, or I'm
going to make the way, find the way, or even just allow the way to find me
because I'm going to find a way to make this happen. And now that is what also
provided this courage of like, okay, if I'm learning all of this, this is not only
about me and one of the things I don't know if I told you, but it is, had this
realization that every cell in my body had function, has a purpose.
Every cell in my body, even when a , new cell gets created in the spine, it's
waiting latent to get programmed , with a specific purpose and go and do it. So
in my mind I said, okay, working for a company or any tech company that's not
really the purpose. , it's stagnating , this inner purpose.
The fulfillment is not there. And so when I [00:20:00] started tapping into, first
of all, nervous system optimization and with all the things that I've learned
tapping into, okay, how , I help a person to upgrade. So I get unstuck. And if
there are leaders that are going to impact their clients, their families, their teams.
So I said, okay, this is turning into something interesting later. I started realizing
that the way to go there has been through breath work. This is one vehicle, not
the only one, but it's one of the main vehicles because it regulates the nervous
system. You have experienced it. You have experienced it with me.
Right.
tianna: Yes. Which I want to share in a minute. Yeah, go ahead. Keep going.
JJ Ruescas: Yeah, so what I realized is that even though I don't have a, I mean
there is no other human optimization strategist, if you Google it, I'm the only
one in the planet because I created that title at this moment. That is the air quote
identity that fits kind of what I'm doing. But eventually it's going to change for
tianna: sure.
Mm-hmm.
JJ Ruescas: And what you've seen me doing there, T, in the sessions, it is, I am
there not for myself. I'm there to serve other people. And so it's like, how can I
[00:21:00] support the growth of that nervous system or that group of people ,
in that, in that room to actually allow them to release the stress and get
connected mind and body again? It's interesting. I never thought about myself
becoming or being a, some people have called me, conscious leader, stuff like
that. I'm like, what? I
tianna: leader. No,
JJ Ruescas: myself.
tianna: I'm just joking.
JJ Ruescas: leader. Yeah, it is.
tianna: The cult of jj.
JJ Ruescas: I call it the cult of oxygen. Did I tell you that?
tianna: Oh, Uhuh. The cult of oxygen.
JJ Ruescas: new
tianna: Oh,
JJ Ruescas: Yeah,
tianna: that's fun. I like that. Uhhuh.
JJ Ruescas: yeah. And I so people, Hey, welcome to the of oxygen. Right? And
everyone just cracks up.
tianna: Yeah. I mean, you have that energy that people want and feel and it
connects to them and it reaches them. And when you said. I love the simplicity
of like, you're all about learn and share. Learn and share. And it is interesting
because also sometimes when I would describe my spiritual journey, I'll tell
people, in the beginning, I was [00:22:00] just taking in, , like when we first
kind of awaken spiritually, we're just hungry, we're thirsty, and back in the day
it was like reading, reading, reading.
And now it might be watching videos or listening to podcasts or whatnot. But
taking it in, taking it in, taking it in. So this is like the breath work metaphor.
Learn is taking it in, inhale, learn, take it in, exhale, share it. So it's really cool,
like the breath work. It makes sense as a metaphor for who you are.
The inhale and the exhale, take it in. Share, learn, share, learn, share. I just love
that.
JJ Ruescas: mind. You're blowing my mind. Thank you. It's because, yeah.
Everything that gets inside of the body doesn't go the same way. We transform
it, we metabolize it, and it comes in a different way. Right? So, all the things
that I have learned and the ones that I'm still learning, first of all, the learning
doesn't come from the sense of not enoughness. It now comes from a sense of
how is this piece of information that I'm learning going to support someone
else? I don't know when, I don't know how, I don't know who, [00:23:00] but
it's going to serve someone. So , my learning has acquired a completely
different way , of a driver. Completely different driver. Yeah.
tianna: Yeah. Even, people talk about the whole spiritual journey as the in-
breath and outbreath of God or the divine right. When the divine wanted to
know itself, it split off into, as a soul, it split off into these different pieces to go,
, into the manifest world.
And then evolution through reincarnation is us feeling called back. We feel
called back to the divine through our incarnation. So there's this long cycle of
the in breath and the outbreath of the divine , and our soul journey is a reflection
of that. So, I love how that all connects.
JJ Ruescas: Thank you. Yeah, and it's something that I'm discovering
throughout the practice , and also because of this , drive for first of all. learning
and improving things. Kaizen,
tianna: Mm-hmm.
JJ Ruescas: Japanese philosophy of continuous improvement, it is the
decisions for people that attend the sessions. They realize that, first of all,
they're never the same.
[00:24:00] Second, that they're always an evolution in the process. And even
myself, this is not that I will tell other people, but you're my friend. , I don't
know if I told you that I have retrospectives after every session, meaning , I
debrief what went amazing, what to improve, and I take notes and I'm now even
using AI to help me do that.
Imagine that. So I'm using the same iterative process that nature is using,
basically. And so I know how to create the space so that the person, the people
there can feel safe enough to go inside their own psyche, their own soul, their
own spirituality, connect to their own spirituality, and having transpersonal
experiences. And then I am the one who at the end of the session is like, okay
guys, what did you learn? What did the spirit inside of you, that internal inner
intelligence told you? I want to learn. So it's like a co-creative experience. I may
be helping them to get there, but they come and then they share stuff that it is
mind blowing, right?
tianna: Yeah. So , you had been inviting me for a while. Like, oh, you have to
come and take my class. I was like, yeah, I have to. [00:25:00] But, you know,
busy life. And then finally, the last time when we had met for a meal, and then I
was like, okay, I am going to do this and put it on my calendar, and showed up
to your breathwork class at Casa de Luz, and it was amazing.
Yeah, I think, , what you're saying, which I think is true for most spiritual
experiences or healing experiences. , of course, this is a spiritual podcast, so I'm
constantly referring to spiritual. And of course you could say everything is
spiritual, right?
The physical body, the mind, the emotions, that all comes from the one source.
But, anyway. People often say that healing is about holding space, holding safe
space, like you're saying, creating a container. And so just you and all of the
work that you've done and in your own beingness, when you show up and
you're your embodied beingness, holding this , energy, holding this frequency, it
creates this amazing container for everyone that shows up [00:26:00] and is
open to receive that or flow with that.
Yeah. When I went to your breath work class, towards the very end, when we
finally hold the last big breath, oh my gosh. I just had this. Wave of just
incredible, huge universal love that just brought me to tears in the best way.
You know, those incredible, tears of awe and wonder and gratitude and humility
that I'm here connected to , the divine in all these different forms and
expressions.
And yeah, I was just so overwhelmed with love and I just felt like, oh, I just
want to share this with everyone in the room, with everyone in the planet and let
it, radiate out. My heart center just really opened and it was just so beautiful.
And, thank you for that.
JJ Ruescas: I [00:27:00] think go ahead.
I was
tianna: going to say, , what's cool is we're all in the same space together, and
yet everyone's going to have a different experience, their own unique
experience, like you said, and we're all, we are having our individual, this kind
of goes back to what I was saying about the Aquarian age, collectively we're
creating something all together and then also individually, so we can each
individually have our experience and get what we need from the same thing.
And it could be very different. And yet we're also all weaving that in together,
for the whole.
JJ Ruescas: Yeah. Yeah. So this is so interesting that you mentioned that. So
I'm doing also research on all of this, like cognitive, I would call it citizen
science at this moment. We still have a small group of neuroscientists that are
helping with this, but it's , more of a private research, more than, , through a
university or anything like that. So I'm not saying this in order to just simplify
the breath work part, but instead like trying to figure out what is happening
because we're having people that have, this is interesting, T.. Over the last few
years, I've noticed that within a session, some [00:28:00] people will report
having
tianna: visions
JJ Ruescas: let's say, of a butterfly.
And the other person's like, Hey, I had a butterfly too. And then a third one has
a butterfly within the same session.
tianna: Hmm.
JJ Ruescas: Or another thing could be, I felt this specific color and this other
one and this other one, like things that are so common, but they change through
seasons. So I'm like, holy moly, what's going on here?
Right. And part of even my curiosity is getting into are we creating something
in the collective way? , in practices like this? Very likely it is. Now that doesn't
mean that I need to be, or that I want to be specific and say, this is how we're
going to create this thing and this thing. No, but instead, how do we
continuously promote. , the safety, not only cognitive, but but bodily and
spiritually for people to drop into those states of pure bliss, of pure even sorrow
sometimes, sometimes pure grief, but allowing those sensations and emotions to
flow through the system. And at some point they're inner intelligence.
They're like, poof. Starts getting, getting downloads, getting messages, and
[00:29:00] that's changing things, right?
tianna: Yeah, I think we're in a really powerful time where more people are
becoming open to alternative methods of healing and there are more people who
are willing to, , do research on it to sort of help to back up, there's all of this
anecdotal evidence that people have of their experiences, and then there's also
others researchers that are doing it maybe in a more scientific way that is
allowing for, as all of this information is getting shared.
I just think that there are going to be . Big breakthroughs, not just in technology,
which we're seeing, but also in the fields of alternative healing. And then in
spirituality as well. And everything's moving so fast, and energy and
frequencies are shifting very fast, that it's just going to, it's just mind boggling.
Like if we have this conversation five years from now, I think we're going to
look back and be like, whoa, , who would've imagined all of that unfolded, in
[00:30:00] five years?
JJ Ruescas: This is what I called, we're getting into the era of the techno
mystical, We are using highly developed technologies from human, made with
mystical, are having there even prior to humanity. And when both of them are
getting combined, it's crazy because, for example, let me give you an example.
Right now, I don't have one of the devices right now, maybe it's there in my
backpack, but we can track their heartbeat. We can track their brainwaves. So
we know when a person is getting into an altered state of consciousness. Now
what does that mean? Altered state of consciousness, meaning dropping the fear
based or the survival based mechanisms , of this system.
Going back to the fear is biological and. Allowing this connection with
something that is way, way beyond what we can even think of, right? So that
connection is what is bringing everything in alignment. Now, if we want to go
into the technical, what is happening is that , I know that with the blueprint that
I created, with the protocols that I created and that we're refining with my team,
first of all, we get people through breathing patterns [00:31:00] into, there's a
dysregulation between the the brain and the heart.
So first of all, we're regulating through breathing both things. So they got in
alignment at some point. So it's like, great. Now we're getting the same wave,
but it doesn't end up there. At some point, the entire room starts breathing in
sync.
tianna: Hmm.
JJ Ruescas: I will be in the middle of a 30, 35 people room, let's say that's kind
of a small class. I would say inhale. Inhale, and I will shut up and you can hear,
oh, the entire room. So that means that. of them individually have synced up,
but also as a collective, they have synced up.
tianna: That is super cool. It makes me think of that David Hawkins, book is it
Power versus Force where he talks about the different, the different lux, the
different states and levels going up in consciousness and how whatever, this,
higher level, like one person's, frequency could affect like hundreds or
thousands of people.
And so it [00:32:00] makes me think of if we all sync up and if there's one
person that's leading it or facilitating it, that's at this higher consciousness level,
how it could, just share or everybody gets a download or , it transfers, in the
field.
JJ Ruescas: it's funny that you're mentioning that because I have, one thing I
didn't tell you about this one, but it's called the Oxygen Experience. It is my
signature event. Long story for how it goes, but guess what? It is based on
"Power Versus
tianna: Force"
Oh,
JJ Ruescas: we're getting people through.
tianna: yeah. Yeah. That's so funny.
JJ Ruescas: people , through several emotions
tianna: Mmhm
JJ Ruescas: and I'm using more technologies. Breathwork is one of them,
combined with other ones, hypnosis, et cetera over there. But that's funny that
you mentioned that one.
tianna: Yeah, it's interesting, over the years that we've known each other, I've
always really been conscious of how, , you come from a very yang. Perspective
for the most part. Or you come from a more yang dominant, I'm saying yang
instead of masculine. 'cause , even though you're in a male body and I'm in a
female body, I'm not talking about,
[00:33:00] biological gender, right?
We're talking about polarity energies, and we all have both, , the left brain yang
kind of energy, and we have the right brain yin energy, and , like I remember
one time, so you've always been about perfecting things and improving them,
which is awesome.
But I can remember, I don't know if you still do this, but at one point you had
your whole day, like every single minute, pretty much optimize. And I felt like,
, oh my gosh, I could not live like that. To me, that feels so confining, but for
you it was like, oh, this is how I can, , make the absolute.
Best use of all of my time to have exactly, optimized and planned out. But
anyway, so you were always coming, not always, but you were generally
coming from that perspective. And I was kind of like, yeah, I'm in the flow. I'm
just going to see what I feel like working on right now. And yet we both have
been able to honor each other's, polarities or a different approach and kind of
get something from each other.
Yeah. But , it [00:34:00] seems like maybe you're more in the flow of that, or
do you still have every moment of your day, Am I still
JJ Ruescas: OCD?
tianna: Are you asking that?
I can't give you a diagnosis or label it, but.
JJ Ruescas: I can do it myself, but at that time it's so funny. I was having so
much, I found so much rejoice in doing that. I said, this is amazing. And it
worked until guess what what happened. It did not work anymore.
tianna: Hmm.
JJ Ruescas: Instead of just living, I was just over engineering my life.
tianna: Yeah.
JJ Ruescas: is what I call pendulation.
tianna: Mm-hmm.
JJ Ruescas: That's what I call pendulation, meaning find something that works
for us, whether it is, workout, whether it's a meditation, a spiritual practice,
whatever, until, yeah, this is working amazingly until guess what happens? It
doesn't work anymore.
tianna: Mm-hmm.
JJ Ruescas: was like, oh, screw this. So we want the opposite way completely
many times.
tianna: Mm-hmm.
JJ Ruescas: oh no, this is going to work. Yay. The other one was the other
version. The other version This one started work working until, [00:35:00] what
happens? It does not work anymore. Right? And the majority of the humans,
that's when they stopped. Like , they found themselves stuck into these two
points without realizing that actually we can get the best out of the first one, the
best out of the second one, and create a third behavior. So in this case, for
example, thankfully you notice that when, at that time it started with something
as naive as, oh, I'm going to track six categories in my time, like workout and
work and chill and sleep in like four or five. It ended up with 36 freaking
categories. You're such an overachiever. Yeah, that did not work. That did not
work.
, yeah. So for all, , all your audience, you can find more of what I do in the
experiments than I do in the newsletter. Right? So , , I confused in that, , in one
of the newsletters, I said, you can track your time, but just don't go beyond five
categories, otherwise you're wasting your life right. The opposite, the complete
opposite way is like having no, structure at all. And it also works, but , we need
to apply in that case a critical thinking. Like, [00:36:00] okay, in what scenarios
having A structure flow works and in what other ones? Having a full structure
works because, if we hold onto either one in the wrong context, we're equally
dysfunctional.
It's maladaptive. for me, going back to what you mentioned, I thankfully over
the last few years, I was able to gain more. Flexibility in my thinking and also I
would say flexibility in the way that I was feeling emotions because my
emotions were so constricted. I mean, I used to be a tech leader and I used to
put my emotions completely aside. now since I started embracing emotions, I
started connecting mind and body better. At any moment, I can notice, for
example, when I'm constricting the body and I can, I'm not breathing, I'm like
changing the posture, and that is becoming a fun practice.
tianna: Yeah. , and I was thinking about this Pendulation, is that what you
called it anyway, swinging of the pendulum.
JJ Ruescas: lesson. Yeah.
tianna: How. Yeah, so then sometimes people, so they go one extreme and then
they go the other exreme and then people say, oh, the middle path, where you're
right in [00:37:00] the middle.
And I think sometimes that makes sense and sometimes it just makes sense to
be able to have the dance that maybe certain part of my day has a lot of
structure and then a certain part of my day has no structure. It doesn't have to be
like, oh, it's always equally half and half. And this is for any polarities, which I
think talking about polarities is very, , pertinent just because in the world right
now there's a lot of polarization and so rather than thinking that we have to
choose a side and be extreme, maybe sometimes.
JJ Ruescas: mm.
tianna: It sometimes we're one side and then other times we're other side, or
maybe in some situations we're one and in other situations or areas of our life
we're another, and just to have the fluidity and to see the value in both sides
without rigidly attaching to, , and this could be, , any qualities this is the whole
thing about incarnating as a human and exploring being different qualities is it's
not just like there's one side of the spectrum.
That's right. And there's another side of the [00:38:00] spectrum that's wrong.
It's just being able to, , like you said, , it's like your white T-shirt, right? Maybe
today is a white t-shirt and maybe tomorrow is a black T-shirt, or maybe
tomorrow's a colorful t-shirt
JJ Ruescas: top,
tianna: Yeah.
JJ Ruescas: Right. So
tianna: or shirtless or whatever.
Or,
JJ Ruescas: Or
tianna: or, or maybe half of today you wear the white t-shirt and then tonight
you go out and you put on a fancy shirt . So anyway, just not being attached
like. White T-shirts always the best way to go or tank tops. Always the best way
to go.
JJ Ruescas: And one of the things that I personally. I'm grateful for our
friendship over the last few years is that thanks to our friendship and our
connection is that I was able to expand , my awareness to other ways of living.
You and I have very different ways of living, so thankfully I was not stuck in
my ways of being and I learned from you.
That doesn't mean that I will go full in with that, but you allowed me through
your own experience to see, oh, this is another flavor of living. And so that
helped me to actually [00:39:00] or like melt down a little bit of the rigidity in
the mind and allow myself to, oh, this is so interesting. Right? And that's the
reason.
It's not only the work within oneself that we need to pendulate or to experiment
all of this. Thankfully we can have, healthy connections that allow us to see
stuff like that and saving us time.
tianna: Yeah. Well, it's so interesting that you said this, rigidity within yourself.
'cause I've always felt you're so open-minded. , you just come from curiosity
and you're open just to kind of hearing another person's perspective and
exploring that. And I think that's why , you just keep continuing to grow and
evolve because most people aren't willing , to do that to the extent that you do.
JJ Ruescas: I can tell you one thing that is very open, but at some point that
also became rigid. Meaning I couldn't stop myself from learning in that way, in
that format, that's what became rigid. So it wasn't the thinking, but the process
itself. And I got myself locked into that, but I said, but have to keep doing it.
Who says that? Right? And especially as an [00:40:00] entrepreneur. As an
entrepreneur, I need to be even be way more flexible, especially when things are
not going at all the way that I want it. And by the way. Changing to being a full-
time entrepreneur has been one of the most transformative times of my life. And
equally, I would say business is a spiritual game. Business is a spiritual game. I
have learned so much about myself and have grown thanks to taking that action
that started during Marco Island now.
tianna: Well, , years ago, back when I was in the corporate world and I had a
sort of a mentor, and he was really into day trading , and he also was very, open
to spirituality and was like the only person in my corporate job that I was
talking to about my spiritual journey.
And so even when I left, we kept in touch every now and then. And the way that
he would talk about day trading, I kept telling him that's a spiritual path and
what I realized, like I said with acting too, is , it's not what you [00:41:00] do,
right? It's the consciousness behind it. So anytime anyone's really reflecting
through whatever they're doing, that could be being a janitor and mopping the
floor and what you learn.
Through the strokes of mopping the floor, it doesn't really matter what it is,
right? It's really the consciousness that we bring to it. And so I think, there have
been all of these iterations of JJ as we just mentioned, and there will continue to
be just like, there'll be different iterations of Tianna.
And yet because we come from this perspective of wanting to reflect, wanting
to grow, wanting to help others, , as long as we maintain that, it's always going
to be a spiritual path, whatever we're doing.
JJ Ruescas: Yeah. Yeah. The self-exploration is the ultimate spiritual path we
will never fully known ourselves. And for me, that's the game, that is the make
playful for me.
tianna: Yeah, and I love the word playful, it doesn't get enough credit. And a
lot of times people think that spirituality is this heavy, serious thing, which of
course, you [00:42:00] know, there are, there are parts of the heaviness and
seriousness, but also the play. There's so much. Playfulness, like when I connect
to spirit guides, there's a lot of playfulness as well.
And again, it's about that balance, right? It's like when it's time to be serious and
focus , do and give yourself time to play. 'cause our souls, our spirits, yeah, they
like to create, they like to enjoy and interact. and I think that's one of the things,
like you and I both have a lot of energy and a lot of excitement and passion
about whatever we're doing.
And I think we've always when we get together, we kind of feed off of that. We
share, different things with each other. And then I, at least for me, when I leave,
I always feel pumped. I always feel really energized and inspired. So I love that
about, our connection.
JJ Ruescas: yeah, likewise. I really appreciate it. I know that over the last few
years we have exchanged information and ideas and stories that have, in my
case, your stories have inspired me so much. T and obviously through the
podcast, you're also [00:43:00] supporting other people in their own paths.
And if some of the stories that we're talking about today, inspire them, go for
them, right?
tianna: Yeah. Thank you. , so one of the things I appreciate about your flavor
of spirituality is, something when we were talking about you coming on here
and I was like, oh, what is it you want to talk about? And you're like, basically
practical spirituality. And I was like, yes.
'cause I'm super woo, right? I am super and I love, the whole mystical thing. But
I'm also actually very practical. Like even though I'm guiding people into past
lives or guiding people to talk to their spirit guides, I keep always wanting to
bring it down to , okay, what can we take from this and apply to your life now?
how can we apply this to your life now? And I think, you can't help but think
that way. 'cause again, you have that kaizen approach, like you said, you're
wanting to improve. How can we grow? And so. What would you say for
people who are wanting more practical spirituality in their life, what would you
recommend?
JJ Ruescas: To become more an experimenter , or citizen [00:44:00] scientist.
Where n equals one is the saying when we are the Guinea pig. And at the same
time, the researcher I.
tianna: Hmm.
JJ Ruescas: does that
tianna: I.
JJ Ruescas: When we go into the spiritual realm, we're not just chilling there
and allowing the body to soothe, and then we come back online?
No, no, no. Usually we have insights. We have downloads, we have new
connections. We have of, oh, this is not working and I need to change this. And
once we have those downloads. We can't just let them sit there and do nothing,
which I don't consider that spirituality, but more a mental bypass or at least
mental, it's like having a rush of sugar.
It's like, oh yeah, that was nice, and then we let it go. Right? But in this case,
okay, how can I apply this download in a small experiment? Maybe I realize
that in my spiritual practice, I got this download that I need to be better with
boundaries, let's say. And sometimes the idea of being better with boundaries in
the outer world is discombobulating is could be [00:45:00] too big. Now, how
do we make it small enough and small experiments, let's say seven day
experiment, 10 day experiment of, oh, I noticed that I do not set proper
boundaries in these situations or with these people. What would happen if for
seven days I do it? Right, and to the level of degree that a person can do it with
the other person telling them, Hey, let me experiment with this.
Like being the actor of something, having that back and forth of a new behavior,
of a new way of being. And now that I think about , we've been talking about
identity and it's like how do we expand that identity in a safe way, in a safe
container? Our nervous system does not work from the moment that, okay, we
gotta download and then we're going to switch the pattern.
Like if we would be an AI and then we keep operating this way. No, no, no.
There's a back and forth also, , and once we have had a profound spiritual
experience through any kind of modality, through any kind of modality, it may
be very jarring for the system to put the new behavior out there, not knowing if
it's going to work or not.
As I mentioned, [00:46:00] fear is biological. So there may be this rubber band
effect that gets the nervous system back into the previous state , and the spiritual
person will say, oh no, this is not going to work for me. Even though, yet
internally, they know that they need to take that path. So those are little
experiments.
What I've seen, T, is that work wonders for a person because it's a controlled
environment, it's a controlled experiment. And if it didn't work, okay, it's just
seven days or so. Right. Or we can pull the short circuit button.
tianna: I love that idea. , it's funny 'cause I will recommend stuff like that to my
clients, but I don't really do like the seven i, I love the seven day, the idea of a
seven day experiment because it's so non-threatening. The whole commitment
thing of like, oh gosh, doing this for however ex like a hundred days, that might
seem like too much, but like seven days.
I think that, you can try something for seven days and just be mindful and pay
attention and see, and you'll kind of get a sense of whether that resonates for
you or whether that's working for you or not. [00:47:00] But yeah, I often talk to
clients about. Scaling things down to baby steps because people just get so
overwhelmed and a lot of times people have black and white thinking, it's like
this all or nothing.
And so they won't try anything because they make it so big in their head when
Yeah, this little experiment , and if you think of an experiment, even though
sure when people, scientists and stuff, when they go in with an experiment,
maybe a lot of times they're sort of hoping to see a certain outcome , but still
they go have to go in and just be open to whatever,
so the experiment idea is just to go in and be open. And when you have the
container. Of just seven days. , I think, most of us are like, okay, I can be open
around this for seven days, right? Like you said, like your seven day, social
media posts or whatever. And then just knowing like, okay, after the seven
days, it'll be over.
Okay. Yeah. It's just, it feels really, non-threatening and digestible and doable.
So, I challenge anyone [00:48:00] just to try something small, like some area
where you want to grow in your life right now, or where you feel stuck to try
something small just for seven days like JJ is recommending and see, see what
happens.
JJ Ruescas: The second factor there, T, is, first of all the person experimenting
with, let's say , this t-shirt is like. Peter, I need you to, to try this t-shirt for seven
days. I don't like it. I don't like it, but I want to try it. Let's just say seven days
and you said it is non-threatening. Okay, I'll do it for seven days. Then the next
thing that majority of people forget , in the realm of a spiritual or pragmatic
spirituality, as I would put it, is that when we change, we're forcing other
consciousness to change. And that's going to create friction. And that's also part
of this rubber band effect. Because if we've been behaving in one way and the
people close to us got used to this behavior, and then we switch it, they're going
to present [00:49:00] resistance maybe cognitively or even unconsciously, but
there's going to be resistance. So something worth mention there is that it
usually requires between five to seven touch points of the new of the other
person to understand that, oh, this is the new me. Oh, this is the new me, and
they will whether accept it or reject it or leave it. So now that's up to the other
person.
tianna: Mm-hmm.
JJ Ruescas: that's when , this game becomes tricky. So that's another nuance
that we have to be mindful of, which is , that by changing ourselves, we're
changing the context and there's going to be friction. That doesn't mean that
we're going to have exactly what we want, the output that we wanted
relationship are going to get, broken apart.
Other relations are going to get created. And that's part of the exploration, right?
tianna: Yeah. And . So friction doesn't have to be bad. , yes. It's the process of
creating something new, things have to shift and change. And so yeah, we have
to get sort of comfortable with that, that we can be okay when there's some
friction and [00:50:00] we can learn ways to work with that and otherwise,
yeah, otherwise we'll be very stagnant and we'll be very stuck if we're just
avoiding, , we're people pleasing or, , we're avoiding making the change to try
to, not rock the boat.
And yet I think we're in some major, . Turbulence as far as rocking the boat, I
don't think people are going to be able to just , play it safe under the radar
anymore just because everything is shifting as it needs to because so many
things, have not been in the highest and best on the planet.
And so we're in this kind of breakdown mode and yet if we have the experience
or if we don't, , to allow ourself to get, to have the experience of, oh, I can be
okay with friction. I trust and know that I'll be okay, then we're going to be able
to navigate, all of this time of massive transformation that we're in and that's
ahead, , much better.
So I love that you recommend that.
JJ Ruescas: Yeah. And friction is a precursor of fire. And fire is [00:51:00]
change. So many people, including myself, I used to avoid conflict. Now it's not
that I look for it, but what it means that I am better at navigating conflict
because I know that something better is going to come out of that. And as you
mentioned, for example, I was thinking about this actually before I made this
metaphor. I was at a runner's club the other day and there was this guy who has
been coming with a long hair. He just shows up with very short hair. And I'm
like, Hey, hey, good to see you. So it was first shocking, right? Like, because I
saw this guy several times with very low hair and now he has a very short
haircut.
And , I said like, you look good. And the guy's like, yeah, I feel good. Thank
you. Right? So it took me like two, three minutes to get used to his new look.
tianna: Mm-hmm.
JJ Ruescas: But it was so interesting. That's when we are doing also in spiritual
realm. Sometimes we're all hairy and we're taking a trim or spiritual trimming I
would call it.
And so there's going to be a little bit of, , this distortion the way the other people
saw us, or there's going to be a little bit of [00:52:00] shock, I would say. I
would not even shock, but they're going to be surprised. And now that's the
level of depth of connection that we can have for some people. We can tell
them, testing this new, I'm experimenting with this new way of being. Would
you be open to just be patient with me for one week, seven days? For other
people it would mean less than that, or it could be even more in depth. I this
depth, this very deep spiritual experience and I decided to change this and
experiment for a little bit. And they may understand. Other people may not be
that close to our. , to being able to relate at that level. And you can say just
simply, Hey, I'm planning to experiment with that. Would you gimme some
grace if something changes? And the majority of people are going to say, oh, of
course. Because they're also curious to know what you're going to come up
with. So that's when we are start using our new spiritual expanded or upgraded
level, it safely in the new environment.
Oh my God, that was so technical.
tianna: That's you.
JJ Ruescas: Deploying
tianna: the
JJ Ruescas: [00:53:00] Spiritual.
tianna: I want to switch gears a little bit and just, I want to hear more. I don't
know if maybe I've asked you this before. What is your sort of spiritual
awakening? , a lot of people have some sort of, moment when they shifted and
focus more spiritually. Sometimes it comes through a crisis or sometimes, it's a
gradual thing.
When would you say you started to really be more interested in spiritual things
or when would you say you started on a spiritual path in this lifetime?
JJ Ruescas: Mm. In my case, as the majority of people that I know came
through crisis,
tianna: Mm-hmm.
whether it is breakup of relationships, the other ones that have had a profound
impact in my spiritual, path have been plant medicine.
Mm-hmm.
JJ Ruescas: has been huge. That's a technology that works for this nervous
system.
And once I had those experiences, I could not unsee what I've seen. I'm like, I
remember my first, Ayahuasca experience, I experienced love for the first time
in [00:54:00] my life not a cognitive love. It was something I was so profound
that I could not not see it anymore. Right? And I remember, , I left two days
after the ceremony.
I'm walking on the street. And I could feel the love in other people. I could feel
myself radiating love and like we are one, we just forgot that we are one . That
was one big moment. Then the other ones have been mostly in my case, around
relationships because I am healing over the years, some wounds in terms of
relationship may most likely from this lifetime. I have had the chance to have
those relationships or situations where wounds got reactivated. Thankfully,
through the pain that we all experience my mind is what can I learn from this?
What can I learn from this? What can I learn from this? And that is what led me
into paths of meeting [00:55:00] mentors, finding new modalities and so on and
so forth.
So that's a second source of. I would call it, I don't call it spiritual awakening,
but you're right, it could be something like that. I call it being more in touch
with myself. I call it being more in touch with myself, not only with the body,
but also with like, oh, , what is the body experience and what's the mind
experiencing?
So creating some healthy detachment from the body and the mind, and therefore
what I think what remains is, always going to transcend both of them. So that's
how my journey through the years.
tianna: Yeah. Amazing. And so, tell us the things that you are doing now that
maybe if people who are listening are interested, they want to have experience
with you or be facilitated in breath work or be mentored, or what are you
offering these days?
JJ Ruescas: Wow. What am I offering? That's an interesting question.
tianna: Or did I word it
JJ Ruescas: Yeah.
tianna: weird way?
JJ Ruescas: I , no [00:56:00] one ever worded it for me like that. I think I'm
going to hire you for my marketing team. What I do is, this is my passion and
you will see it. I came to optimize one person at a time, one human at a time. So
every day I wake up and it's like, who's going to get optimized, first of all,
myself, right? Otherwise, it would be fooling myself and then how I can support
other people. And now these days it is, I've created this model that is a
framework called human ops framework, which is the physiology, psychology,
and the emotional aspect all combined.
And you can see it on the website in jj ruescas.com. We can have the links
below. And I remember before I go into answer your full question T is someone
asked me, so it's an infinite loop basically if you see it on the website, it's an
infinite loop. And someone came and asked me one day, and so you said
physiology, psychology, and emotions. Where is this spiritual aspect? And I
said, where do you think that infinite is living on? Where was it created? And
the person was like, oh [00:57:00] crap, I never thought about it. Right? So I
don't talk about spirituality, but at the end of the day, that's what is happening
there. That canvas, that's where all of that framework and the pieces were
created is this framework.
We cannot deny that. going back to the point is that I get them that framework, I
use that framework as a very malleable, flexible playground for every nervous
system to find what works for them to reconnect and reignite their purpose,
reconnect with themselves, reignite their purpose. And , I can tell you, I've
worked with leaders in all sorts of technical, non-technical architectural
business or marketing, et cetera, and all of us are looking for something very
deep fulfillment.
Of a spirit that feels so fulfilled that if today would be the last day, it would be
an amazing way to live. what I do is, whether it's through breath work, through
these one-on-one experiences or through just creating fun experiences where a
person is like, gets into this, awe. Or wonders that like, oh, I never thought
[00:58:00] about that.
Oh, that's, that's what I offer
tianna: Mm-hmm.
JJ Ruescas: environments so that the person can find that wisdom within
themselves. Not that I'm going to give it to them, I create those environments so
that they can find it within themselves.
tianna: Beautiful. Awesome. Is there anything that we haven't touched on, , or
do you have any last message that you wanted to share with listeners?
JJ Ruescas: Yeah, take a deep inhale. The majority of people talk, forget about
breathing. So the moment that I bring back the respiration, they were like, so if
you were one of those guys that were holding, or girls that were holding their
breath, just take a deep inhale and just smile. And that's the only thing that's
brings awareness to the present.
And from there we , can take action into any other way. But besides that, T,, our
conversation as always is amazing. I'm glad that finally we're recording this.
tianna: Yeah, I always feel like I could just talk to you for hours and hours. We
always kind of just have to like cut it off at some point. Well, thank you so
much. It's been so much fun.