Vision Battlesword, iEvolve Life Founder
What does it mean to evolve on purpose rather than by accident? This week’s guest Vision Battlesword weaves together psychology, spirituality & conscious awareness in a way that invites you to consider how your patterns, choices and beliefs shape your path.
Vision’s approach to inner work incorporates play and is rooted in everyday experience, while still leaving space for mystery. We talk about identity, the heart as a guide, the power of presence and the possibility of rewriting old narratives that no longer fit who we are becoming. Are you ready to “get more done & have more fun” - this is what Vision calls The Power Activation.
HIGHLIGHTS:
🦋 Catch my guest spot on Vision’s podcast, Intentional Evolution, where we have an in-depth conversation about Transformation: https://ievolve.life/iepod04/
🌱 What does Vision mean by intentional evolution & how can we guide our own growth with awareness?
🧠 How does cognitive science help us understand the patterns that shape our identity?
💓 What role does the heart play in our personal and collective transformation?
🔧 How can simple practices interrupt old loops and help us create new pathways of behavior?
🌌 What does it look like to evolve on purpose instead of waiting for life to push us into change?
🧩 How do our stories influence the way we meet the world, and how can we rewrite them?
📡 What is the relationship between consciousness and technology?
🌀 How can we recognize when we are running unconscious programs and shift into presence instead?
🔥 What happens when we choose transformation rather than resisting the discomfort it brings?
✨ How does curiosity become a catalyst for spiritual and psychological evolution?
VISION BATTLESWORD is a multi-hyphenate consultant, strategist, facilitator, leader & playful creator. Vision always seeks to add value to the world while helping himself and others unlock their brightest dreams and activate their highest potential for freedom, creativity, productivity, prosperity, peace, joy, love, and most importantly - fun! His dream is to share the best things he’s learned & created in his life, to help you achieve success beyond your wildest dreams in your life. Learn more: iEvolve.life.
TIANNA ROSER is an Usui Reiki Master Teacher, Soul Plan Practitioner & Certified Clinical Hypnotist specializing in Past Life Regression, Life Between Lives Regression & QHHT. https://www.awakeningtransformation.com. 💖 Her book “Awakening Transformation: A Beginner’s Guide to Becoming Your Higher Self” is filled with practices to lighten your spiritual journey & accelerate growth: https://www.amazon.com/Awakening-Transformation-Beginners-Becoming-Higher/dp/1737705303
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TRANSCRIPT
Tianna: [00:00:00] So, one of the things I really love about living in Austin is just all the amazing people that are doing things spiritually oriented and personal development and growth. There's so many people doing interesting things and so I met Vision at this thing called ACT, and it's a group for facilitators.
And actually, my friend JJ, who I've had on the podcast before, invited me to, this group that he's one of the people that facilitates it and. That's how I met Vision. We got paired as partners for an exercise and we just hit it off really naturally. And then it turned out that he has been on the group for my Austin Spiritual Awakening, post for the meetup.
And just hadn't ever attended. And so then he ended up coming to that and then I went to his intentional evolution [00:01:00] workshop and so on and so forth. And, and then I've been on his podcast and I'll put a link for that in the show notes. So I just love this idea of intentional evolution and I really kind of want to start off there as far as.
Putting those words together, intentional evolution. I guess there's unintentional evolution, right? There's different mutations that happen. We could see biologically, but also, I guess maybe in our consciousness, I'd love to hear from you Vision, what that word or that term means intentional evolution.
Vision: All right. Just diving straight into it. I love it. And yeah, I just want to reflect to you, you know, as we're getting started, how much I've been en enjoying our connection and friendship. As you mentioned, that we've been developing these past few months since whenever it was that we met at the, I believe it's ACT activating collaborative transformation is what ACT stands for.
I'm glad you
Tianna: remember that. Yeah. Which,
Vision: Which is a beautiful container created by our [00:02:00] mutual friends, Olivia McDonald and JJ Ruescas. As you mentioned. And yeah, it's just such a great, I've made so many beautiful connections there, and I've just been so inspired and, just enjoying all of the rapport that we've been developing.
So yeah, thank you so much for all of your collaboration and, in transformation, which is of course the space that we both play in, both professionally and personally. And so intentional evolution is a philosophy. It's a concept. It's in some ways you might even say it's a movement. And in more concrete terms.
This is something that's been in my awareness and in my field now for well over five years. And I'd say even before then, before I had words, before I had the phrase to go along with it. It's something that's been. A really important, just kind of part of my development of consciousness over many years [00:03:00] now.
In more concrete terms recently, I've actually created a specific container starting back in July of this year. This is 2025 A, an actual event series as well as a podcast to go along with it. And really a community is what I'm hoping to develop in this space around this idea. And as you said.
Intentional evolution. There's a lot of different meanings behind that, but you can kind of get a sense that it's the idea of incremental change, but self-directed. So if we think of evolution as a natural process, I think most times what people will come to think about that is this idea of randomness.
You know, the sort of like the thing that we might be taught in a traditional school environment, a sort of a scientific materialist type of view of nature and the world and the universe and how it works. And it's just like, well, there's just these atoms and molecules and [00:04:00] particles just randomly flying around.
Bumping into each other in these random and chaotic ways and how weird, but like spontaneously, they seem to lead to this emergence of increasing collect complexity and increasing order, and eventually that gives rise to these things that we call life forms. And then those life forms then just go on in this random.
Accidental process of mixing and remixing and surviving, and not surviving. And this leads to this process, which is inherently sort of random. It's inherently sort of, a result of chance. And yet here we go. You know, it leads to this kind of incremental, I guess in a way, improvement of whatever those systems are.
Even biological life form sentient beings. Moving forward through time in this process of incremental change. And I think that for me, what has started to feel really important [00:05:00] over the last number of years is the idea that as we become more and more conscious as sentient beings and we become more and more self aware of.
These processes of evolution that we are playing out, whether we are aware of them or not, that gives us a really beautiful opportunity to become intentional with guiding the direction of how we actually would like to evolve. Like what capabilities would we like to obtain or how would we like to transform ourselves, our communities, our societies, and our world toward.
Uh, let's just say, ever greater flourishing or beauty or joy or peace or harmony or any of these kind of could be creativity, intelligence, any of these kind of characteristics that we would tend to identify as positive. What if we could become intentional in moving toward that? That's what [00:06:00] intentional evolution means to me.
Tianna: What a great answer. I'm curious as far as, you said self-directed and I thought, oh, which self is directing? What are your thoughts on that as far as this evolutionary process? Which self or can there be many different levels of that or layers of that?
Vision: I love the question because that's exactly, as you know, having done a conversation with me on my show, that's exactly the sort of question I would ask.
And it's like, yeah, let's just go, let's go right into the deep end real quick. Like, what is the self, what are we talking about here? So, yeah, when I say self-directed, that's, that is a really interesting inquiry for me to, to get inspect and even get clear on what it is that, I mean. I think starting from my own inner sense, my own inner identity, so I'd say if we kind of generally have an [00:07:00] idea that there's an interior world and there's an exterior world, I think oftentimes what we've been taught to believe or to think about things is that we're sort of this kind of creature or this.
A living system that is responding to the environment, that's responding to the things that are happening to us, that are coming from the outside. And that that is what really shapes our direction of evolution. Both, you know, at the generational timescales, but also within the scope of our own life. You know, , the chapters of life that we go through, we could look at and call.
Something like an evolutionary process. But I think there's this idea that we are sort of, we are not fully ag agentic, that we're not fully autonomous, that we're not, in other words, that we don't. There's a sense I think that a lot of people have that we don't have really control ultimately of our lives or of the forces that shape us.
And so [00:08:00] I think that when I'm talking about the self. I'm referring to kind of our interior, our inner sense of knowing an identity. We've talked about this before, but since, you know, we don't have that conversation right at our fingertips. Now, I'll repeat a few things that we may have said. You know, I think we've talked about the idea of the individual person personality as being an aspect of God, as being an aspect of a greater consciousness or.
Cosmic spirit, if you will, that we kind of embody in this vessel, which is an individuation, an incarnation of the greater nature of the universe, let's say. So I'd say that is the self that I'm referring to is an individuation, , an evolutionary unique self, . A facet of the infinitely, , infinitely sided diamond of this overall greater [00:09:00] consciousness that we're all sort of experiencing with and for each other, that perspective, that unique perspective that we get to embody that never was, never will be and is not now like any other.
That's, that's the self. And I think there's a beautiful. Opportunity for that self when it comes into true awareness, self-awareness, to begin to realize the actual power and the potency that we have to contribute creatively to the ongoing unfolding evolution of this mysterious, this mysterious universe, this reality that we are all part of.
Tianna: Wow. Yeah. Okay, so what about, , I was trying to remember like the languaging that you're using, but, I got lost in it somewhere along the way. I'm curious what your thoughts are about, as far as [00:10:00] this inner sense of self, 'cause you use the word personality and , I often differentiate between our personality and what I would call our.
Soul. I don't think I heard you say that word in that you don't need to use that word. There's a lot of different words for maybe , the part of us beyond this incarnation, beyond this body. I'm curious your thoughts about when those aren't aligned and who's directing. You know, do you believe that?
What I would call the soul or the higher self, the part that's beyond this physical, if you can, if you believe in,, or are open to the idea of reincarnation, that this is one aspect of our, very expanded self that has been in other bodies or forms, what happens when those aren't aligned, and do you think that the soul or the spirit or the higher self, do you think that it [00:11:00] always comes in with an intention for evolution?
Vision: Wow, that's a fascinating question. I would like to hear your answer also to this question. I'll answer it, as best I can. Mm-hmm. But this is like one of those places where I sense that you probably actually like, have a lot of wisdom on this particular topic. And I, , in all humility. And honesty will represent myself as I'd say, I don't want to say a novice, but like, there's parts of my spiritual journey and personal development path where I've made a lot of growth and progress over the years.
And, I may have some, some wisdom that. You may be like really interested for me to share and then I think in the reverse might be true too, where in this particular realm I'm sort of just now coming to, coming into, you know, it's only been really for me, the last few years that I've really been coming into more and more of a [00:12:00] direct and ongoing and present connection with Spirit and with
Cosmic consciousness, whatever, however, God, however you want to call that. And so I think for me, the idea of a soul plan, or a life path and things, these are kind of new concepts for me that I've really just started exploring and, and intentional evolution for me, at least up to this point.
And maybe a lot of people can relate to this, you know, like, I think this is a step in many people's journey or on many people's path has been really about coming into my own individual power, or even just presence of mind, awareness of myself as a creator, , as a creative being in relationship with, the, let's say, let's call it, you know, the collective consciousness and so.
For me, , I've a, a [00:13:00] lot of my body of work in the last five years especially has been about realizing that, coming into that awareness in myself, helping others to come into that same awareness and sort of activate internally, activate our own, our own unique desire, our own unique perspective on. What is the contribution that we would make to intentional evolution for our own enjoyment to come into our own joy, our own bliss, our own dream, if you will.
And so, yeah, there's been a very personal individual aspect of it for me that has been nonetheless, there's been a growing connection, but it's always been present. But there's been kind of a growing connection to that original source of where that insight of where that inspiration comes from in cooperation, I think, with our own individuation.
And [00:14:00] so, yeah, I'd be really curious to hear what you think about that in terms of, 'cause, I know that's been a topic. We talked about it before, you know, I know that's been a topic. Of, , great significance to you is to be able to identify that there may be the current incarnation of like our soul's expression in this life now, and then there may be a blueprint for that of like a higher mind what that higher mind thought or had in mind of what.
The plan was for this soul's life and what we, what dream we actually would like to create, or what contribution we'd like to make to the collective dream in this life. And that those two things can be out of alignment, which makes sense to me. So, yeah, , I'd love to hear your reflection on that and, what that means to you.
Tianna: Okay. Well, yeah, absolutely. , They can be out of alignment and we can still evolve. I, I think that a lot of [00:15:00] times they're out of alignment. I think it's only when we are really kind of waking up to our spiritual identity that we naturally can start to bring ourself into alignment through our self-awareness.
And yet, Hmm. Actually I'm kind of changing my answer a little bit as I'm talking it through. I think I said most, I think a lot of the times we are out of alignment, but , I'm kind of changing that because I do feel, what I've noticed from paying attention to astrology. Is that and other systems like numerology and a little bit human design, but, it, which to me those are all systems that sort of help us to understand energy, yeah, I guess energy would be the way I'd say it.
What I found is that even when people aren't aware of any of these things, that the energies seem to gently or sometimes not so gently push us into the direction [00:16:00] that our soul came in to want to work. And, we can reject that and we can go a different way, but it seems like naturally we get sort of pulled back into that direction.
However, we still might not follow the blueprint of what our soul intended, and yet it can be a very successful if that's, I don't think that's the best word, but it could be successful incarnation, let's say, in terms of evolution as far as we always can grow. And when I guide clients into past lives, 'cause that's one of the things I do past life regression and somebody might, at the end of the life, when we're doing a sort of recap of the life and a review and looking at what did you learn and what were the qualities that you developed within yourself.
Some. People more than souls, more their individualized human aspect personality aspect, can feel disappointed at the end of a life [00:17:00] that they didn't achieve or express or embody what they had intended. But the soul, I don't feel is actually disappointed because even if.
The main takeaway was just like, I don't like that. Don't want to do that again. That's valuable. That's still evolution, right? Like we came in to learn through trial and error and we have experiences and we need to embody to understand how we're going to perceive that and how that's going to feel and reflect on that and that lived experience is the value.
And so. In a way, I think, I personally think that. We're all part of the oneness and the oneness can't help but evolve. There's just like a, everything that exists, all living things naturally, there's a push to want to continue to grow and evolve in, in some [00:18:00] way. And whether that's micro, micro, micro, tiny growth, , or whether that's kind of like some lifetimes are a lot of evolution, a lot of shift, a lot of transformation.
We're all kind of. Working in that direction across time and space.
Vision: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I love that. Do, do you mind if I riff on that? Yeah. That's back to you as well.
Tianna: Mm-hmm.
Vision: Yeah, , that really stimulates a lot of ideas for me in what you're sharing and. When you use the word lived experience or you use the phrase lived experience that really resonates for me as sort of like that is the point.
Mm-hmm. Right. That like to come here and have our lived experience is the point and it's sort of there, you know, there's this sort of process of continually pushing the envelope into. Greater and greater versions of what can that lived experience look like? What can that lived experience be? And [00:19:00] that's kind of the nature of evolution.
And then we can be more or less conscious of that process and we can, I think, be more or less intentional in that process, which is maybe slightly two different things. But the more we talk about it, the more I think I'm realizing that. , We're not saying two different things in the sense of when I'm talking about helping people to get in touch with their inner desire that, that core of truth, that's kind of one of the ways that I think about it. Like what is your deepest truth of what you desire or what you would, who you would be, what life you would have, what world would you like to help co-create? How would you like this world to look? And how would you like to be in it?
What would you like to create in it? All the answers to all of those questions, they are very personal, and yet [00:20:00] the essence of that is actually about getting in touch with. The, the non-personal, the transpersonal, if you will. It's like, where, what is the source of that desire? What is the source of that motivation?
Where do these, where do these ideas of inspiration come from? And, and that it, to me, it's totally obvious, logical, and I don't know. Just makes perfect sense that that is our connection with the divine or our higher mind, or our soul blueprint, whatever, you know? I think there's probably lots of different ways that our human minds can try and process these much greater than human concepts.
But yeah, I think that is sort of the process of coming into alignment with one's. So plan, I think in other words, what you're talking about in terms of coming into alignment with a so plan is I think [00:21:00] exactly the same ultimately concept and process of what I'm talking about when I say to help people activate their dream.
Tianna: Do you think that. The times that we're living in are significantly different from earlier times in, in terms of the capacity to have intentional evolution to be self-directed in our evolution.
Vision: That is my sense. And I'm also, you know, I always like to try to. Be self-reflective about the, um, the line between humility and hubris.
Uh, meaning I think it's possible that everyone from whatever perspective they have in time, whatever generation they are, and time and periods and cycles and things may look around at the world and [00:22:00] say, this is the most special time and this is a significant time, and things like that. So. You know, taking that with a grain of salt.
Nonetheless, there are some pretty clear signs and signals to me that I see that there's something different. There's something fundamentally different. And I'm not to say that shifts of this magnitude have not ever happened before. I think they certainly have, but I think we are in fact, in one of those cusps.
Excuse me. I think we are in a cusp of a very significant, powerful shift in evolution as well as consciousness and humanity. I think all of those things are shifting now, and I think there's a really.[00:23:00]
There's a really unique opportunity that we have to become more self-directed, and in this case, when I say self, I do mean individually, but I also mean like the collective consciousness becoming more self-directed in how we want this to play out. You know? You know, how do we want this to go? I think there are.
Some fundamental forces of nature and evolution and consciousness that will play out, that do play out over long periods of time and in a cyclical nature. And when a certain threshold has been reached, then there can be a transition to a new state stage, um, phase, if you will. Of our overall experience, but I do feel that this one is unique [00:24:00] in the agency that we have to see it happening to notice it and to say, okay, wait.
We can take some ownership here. We can take some responsibility for how this goes, as compared to maybe times in the past where it has just been more something that happens to us rather than something we, uh. Co-create.
Tianna: So what do you think is the role like of technology with technology? We're in such a technologically, like rapidly shifting time. I'm curious like how you feel about technology and it's, and of course you come from, you know, technology background as well. So I'm just curious what your thoughts are as far as if, uh, you see technology more.
Helping or hindering our, I mean, I'm sure [00:25:00] there's, you know, it's case by case basis, but overall, do you think it's helping or hindering our evolution?
Vision: I think it's helping overall, and I al we, I think that technology is always a double-edged sword, if you will. It, it's technology. In my opinion is a, is an accelerator of everything that we do as humans.
And it's also clearly now, like it seems obvious. I think if, if we look around at the world and the way it is now, that technology itself has actually been co-evolving with us. You know, I, I look at it very much now as less of something that we create and control and more of something that's [00:26:00] somehow symbiotic with us.
You know, we, we, we have a relationship with it and in increasingly we are going to be having a conscious relationship with it. It seems to me. Um. So, yeah, it makes perfect sense why you raise that question and it's, it's totally on point with the previous question about is this a special time for us in transition and if so, why?
And I do think technology is one of the biggest reasons for that. But I also, technology to me doesn't just mean things that run on electricity or are made out of metal and plastic. You know, and Silicon Tech technology includes, you know, our mental processes, our psychological, spiritual technology. Um, it includes capabilities that we probably have [00:27:00] and probably have had in the past, but that have for some reason gone dormant that we can reactivate, I think in the realm of.
Consciousness and you know, energy, like you of course know, know this much better than I do actually. But you know, if, if the entire universe is made of energy, ultimately matter, even is just a form of energy, right? It's like it, it's not really that big of a leap. It's not really that big of a stretch to think that there are ways in which living creatures interact with.
Use, manipulate, and can shape energy, you know, in this world. So, you know, thinking about the, the, the line, when we start to go down these lines about what is, what is the difference between matter and energy? What is the difference between energy and information? What is in my mind except a collection [00:28:00] of energy and information, what's in a computer?
These lines start to get very blurry and, and you know, I think there's a part of that that's can be frightening, but there's a part of that that can be really exciting. And I think that if there's one technological innovation, or let's say improvement, especially in the last, uh, 50 years and, and especially in the last 20 years, that has driven the direction of human evolution.
More than any other, I think it really is communication. I think it's, it's this global communication system that we now have, this internet, if you will, of you know, the ability to actually create a true global consciousness is a reality at this point. And so what I think is interesting about the [00:29:00] relationship between our.
Electronic technology and our psychologic technology, if you will, is I think they're co-evolving together. I think as we start to link up mines through the wires of electricity and as we start to create new mines within these computer systems and these computer networks that we then get to interact with, get to reflect off of.
The, the, the vastness of ex, the access that we have to knowledge is, is just beyond anything I think anyone could have even really imagined just 20, 30, 40 years ago. And I think that what we can do with our own human technology, our own human hardware, is at least as extraordinary as what we can do with.
Artificial intelligence, let's say, you know, [00:30:00] or the way we augment our mental systems using these, um, these external, these external amplifiers that we call computers and. Communications. So that's what's really exciting to me, and that's another huge component of what intentional evolution means to me and why this movement is so important to me, or this idea, bringing this idea into the world and seeing who responds and is attracted to and aligns around it is because what I would like to do is create a parallel, uh, singularity.
To the artificial, to the, to the technological singularity, I would like to create a human singularity. I would like to discover how we can amplify our own human consciousness through the use of this transformational technology. These forms of facilitation like [00:31:00] hypnotherapy, like energy work, like, uh, neurolinguistic programming, uh, all sorts of different.
Ways that we can access new modes of consciousness, even new states of reality, and discover how we can internally evolve and maybe even create a kind of new form of internet, a new kind of collective consciousness among our, our human minds together.
Tianna: That's called Telepathy, and we are working on it.
Vision: I was trying not to go too far down the Woo path, but I do know that I'm on the Awakening Transformation Podcast, so that's probably Okay.
No,
Tianna: you're on the Beyond the Illusion podcast. Excuse me. Excuse me. It's absolutely, if you think of that term, yes. Beyond the illusion. Absolutely. Within the realm of, uh, you can't even imagine how out there we talk about, uh, yours. All right, well,
Vision: that's, well, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah. Yeah. I'm talking about activating our.
Neural network. That's what I'm saying. Yeah.
Tianna: We're doing that. We're definitely [00:32:00] doing that. I, I, myself, have had a number of experiences like that with my friends and close ones and, um. And I know other people sharing those experiences. And of course the telepathy tapes has a lot, that podcast has a lot of, uh, people sharing their experiences about that and bringing it to the mainstream.
I was, as you were talking, and I know this is one of the things that like, um, is how we are different and, and perhaps complimentary in our, in our differences. Um. You were talking a lot about the mind and I, I was curious, you know, 'cause I know my thoughts on this and I'm curious your thoughts on this. Um, where does the heart play in the role of intentional evolution?
Vision: Hmm. Beautiful question. Yeah, so I think what's so exciting about this, this. Uh, this [00:33:00] evolution that we're having in our, just within our own sort of micro community of this, you know, transformational facilitation and then moving out one circle from there, the overall kind of consciousness community and or spiritual community, which sometimes overlap and sometimes there's slightly different, but you know, just kind of these concentric circles or spheres of.
People that are coming together now to share, to really share our wisdom. What I think is part, part of what I think is really beautiful about that is that we come from different paths. So it's clearly, I come. To this, you know, this nexus, wherever it is we are now from the psychological path primarily.
And so I've been activating, you know, I've been awakening spiritually now for, I don't know, I guess I would call it about 20 years, but really starting to come online in the last 10 and five. And I'd say that's another piece for me. The heart space, you [00:34:00] know, um, the emotional body, the, that, that, that specific intelligence, emotional intelligence, you know, is another piece of it for me that I recognize as being so valuable, essential, and important.
And it's also. To me, um, it's a place that I have to like, choose to go into and, and access that, and it's becoming more and more natural for me over time. But my short answer to your question is, my sense is that we, we are a collection of several intelligences that are all embodied in this incarnation.
And I think of it personally. I, I tend to think of it as three minds, which is the brain mind, the heart mind, and the body mind. Which is also sometimes I think people think of that [00:35:00] as the gut mind. Mm-hmm. And we know from physiology that there are actual, there actual neurons in all of those areas.
There's a, these are actual real thinking systems that have. A consciousness that more than likely must in fact create a consciousness field, an electromagnetic field that resonates from there. The heart itself. The physical heart in the body, of course, is an electromagnetic generator. It is the source of our actual field, truly.
That can be, that can be detected, that can be measured, you know, with instruments. So from that perspective, I think, and, and there is of course a fourth mind, you know, which is the spirit, mind, soul. Yeah, I was thinking
Tianna: that. Mm-hmm. Right.
Vision: Yeah. And I, and I don't want to leave that out, and yet it feels really important for me to begin to really be consistent in my modeling of, of including all four of those dimensions of the human, which I think are all, I think [00:36:00] there is an intelligence.
In each of those that can be accessed and does, and does, you know, come into our awareness with information in different ways. But then, then collectively the synergy of that is who we, who we are ultimately. So I think that the heart intelligence, the heart mind are, are beautiful. Like just, it's just such an unbelievable gift.
That we have this emotional experience, you know, and it can be such a roller coaster, and there's so many aspects of it. It's such a spectrum of different ways that we can feel. I. But to me that is a real guidance system for us, for our intentional evolution, for our transformation and growth and, and personal development.
I feel that, you know, especially like we're, I, I keep, uh, from time [00:37:00] to time referring back to some of the dream work that I do and helping people to get in touch with their dream. And that is one of the most important ways that I think that we discover that, that inner. Desire that directional compass and, and where that points is, our heart really can, can point us there, can show us there, can, like shine the light in the direction where we, in our collective embodiment, you know, heart, mind, body and spirit, desire to go.
And so yeah, that's, that's what I think is the significance of the heart. I think It's this beautiful, beautiful, beautiful source of joy and love and just incredible, you know, incredible enlightenment that we can have in this life, as well as all of the other range of experience. But ultimately, I feel that it's really the way that we can find our true north.[00:38:00]
Tianna: I like that you said it was like a guidance system. I was thinking when we were talking about technology, how important the heart connection is. Because if, even if people don't believe in the story of Atlantis, even if you think of it as a myth, it's a really strong cautionary tale about, technology.
Developing faster than, um, consciousness as far as if we are not connected to our heart, we can put progress over ethics and over, you know, caring and empathy and love and, and, and even the idea, I even, I've been working on this, my guides, my spirit. I talk to my spirit guides regularly in the automatic writing process that I, I've mentioned to you before.
And they keep telling me lately just, you know, just to stop pushing so hard. Like I could keep, like, oh, I should be doing more. And you know, I've been, I've been taking time off because of the family health issue and feeling like, [00:39:00] oh, you know, I need to. Even this podcast, like it's been, I don't know, it's been a while since I season 10.
You're the second episode. There were supposed to be other guests in between and I had to kind of put those on hold as I took a month off. And uh, there's this constant like feeling, you know, as far as intentional evolution, they're gonna be this feeling of like, oh, we need to constantly push forward and keep going.
And, and you know, even the word, you used the word accelerate and I was thinking like, oh, normally the word accelerate always sounds like that's a good word. But it's actually not always, and my guides, even today, we're just giving a message about the value of when you slow down and how you can see and perceive more when you slow down.
And so. This idea of being in our heart and our body as well. Our body keeps us at a certain pace, whereas our mind can go way faster. And so I guess like one of my concerns about technology is how it's, you know, it's a very, a lot of the technology is very. [00:40:00] Mind oriented, which can be not in alignment with our bodies and with our heart.
And that, uh, it's so important that as, as we all awaken our heart consciousness, um, and have hard awakenings. Then hopefully the technology, which I like to use the word symbiotic. Hopefully the technology that's would be continued to be developed would be in alignment with, um, what's in, in the highest and best for not just ourself, but our heart is, you know, aware of the interconnectedness with all living things and the earth and so forth.
And so, um. Yeah, I think it's really interesting to think of evolution with all these different aspects that you're talking about, versus maybe sometimes Yeah, from a science per sex perspective, evolution is a lot about the biology and probably the [00:41:00] intellect. Andof course from a spiritual perspective, we might just be talking about consciousness, but we really, all of these things are.
Part of our greater whole system of of who and what we are and how do we balance together. Right. How do they create checks and balances each aspect?
Vision: Totally. I'm really, yeah, that's a really cool invoking Atlantis as a cautionary tale. That feels really relevant to me because Yeah, I'm sort of. Taking up to this point, I've just kind of been taking a little bit of the glass half full perspective on everything that's going on.
But you're right, I think it's certainly, like, this is why intentional evolution is so important to me because it's not certain which, which direction we go right now from here and there absolutely is a mode of, you know, a path that where technology. Becomes a little bit [00:42:00] more of a master to us than a, than a partner, let's say, or a, yeah, a friend and.
I'm definitely concerned about that. You know, I think that there, you know, we've seen this kind of all throughout human history and there's always sort of, like I said, the double-edged sword. There's always sort of the blessings that technology can bring to us in our lives. And then there's the ways that, that, the shadow side of that can be expressed and even do us harm, or where we can lose ourself, our humanity in it.
I do worry about that a lot. I worry about. you know, what I've seen over these last few years, like you mentioned, I had a 20 year career in the technology industry and, in information systems, and so when I started to see the so-called artificial intelligence or large language models coming on the scene, I was very, very skeptical at first.
And I still am [00:43:00] skeptical and I still am concerned by the gold rush phenomenon of, of just this sort of like mad scramble, like you said, acceleration. I said it also, but you know, this kind of just like everybody rushing to, to adopt this new thing, this new toy tool helper friend, whatever it, whatever, however it is that people.
relate with it without really thinking it through, is what I notice. You know what I mean? It, it's like with any really, really powerful new. If anything that we invent, and that could be in the physical space, that could even be, you know, in our own within our own psychic space or in anything else.
I really do think that slowing down is, is wise, is a good idea to pause for a moment, to reflect and think through and [00:44:00] maybe explore and experiment. In a limited way and see how things go. But that's definitely not what we're doing collectively, you know? And so I guess from that perspective, I just hope that people will quickly, and I do think it's happening, you know, I think that people are quickly, and I hope that they will quickly kind of come into a right relationship with the tool, whatever it is, and realize it's probably not.
It's gonna solve all of the world's problems. It's probably not an unambiguous good. There probably are pitfalls to interacting with it too much, like making ourselves lazier. Mm-hmm. Intellectually speaking, like losing out on intimacy with each other as humans, by outsourcing our intimacy. Into a system that it's not really clear whether or not is even [00:45:00] aware of us or certainly can care for us, even if it has the capability of creating very lifelike responses or human-like responses.
I think that's really dangerous, you know, for people individually. And then what happens collectively when we do that, you know? Is unknown, but I doubt we will like it better than, better than the alternative of, let's say, you know, getting together with human beings in real life, in real space and like going for a walk in the park or having a picnic or a Friendsgiving or something like that, you know?
So, and also just getting together with humans or being humans. Individually and using our own human capabilities mm-hmm. To do the kind of human things that we've always done. You know, generating our own creative ideas and gen and doing our own like meaningful work in the world and, [00:46:00]exploring our own humanity.
Right. And, and our growth within our, within our own capabilities, which as I mentioned I believe are exceptional, I believe are vast beyond, what we have yet, what we have yet activated in ourselves. You know, so that's where I think the danger zone lies. But I'm still very hopeful that there's many of us who are.
Deeply, who deeply believe in and are very committed to exploring our humanity in its fullest potential, as well as discovering what a right relationship, what a healthy partnership with the technology in our lives can look like. That can actually help us be more human and not less.
Tianna: Yeah, I like that.
Be more human and not less. Yeah. I think that it could have the potential to actually have us appreciate our human connection [00:47:00] more. You know, a lot of times when something goes away, then we appreciate it more, and so it might have that where we appreciate our time in nature and more. We appreciate our human connection more.
So there's that possibility. Tell us a little bit about somebody who's working with you, somebody who came to have a session with you, like what does that look like? Like who's coming to you for what and, and how would you work with them?
Vision: Oh, thank you for that question. Well, I can call myself an integral consultant.
My practice is called I Evolve Life, which has the SubT tagline of Intentional evolution, which is the philosophy that I embody both personally and professionally, and I call it a personal and professional consulting practice. So I take a consultative approach to helping people. Essentially activate their dreams to get to their next level in life, whatever that looks like, to [00:48:00] have the kind of, you know, inner flourishing and outer flourishing, you know, both kind of interpersonal transformation as well as outside achievement of goals and objectives that they want in their life.
So it can look like a number of different things, but in general. I have three programs, one of which is more about helping people activate their own, um, potential in the realm of performance. So achieving the things that they want to achieve in life, as well as getting in touch with that inner dream to unlock that and then go out and create that in the world.
So that's, it's a very practical. system that, you know, just helps people get more done and have more fun. That's kind of my little tagline for that. It's called the power activation. Then I also, you know, help people in a personal development journey as well. I call that integral transformation because it's based on integral theory as well as a number of other systems like Socratic Inquiry.
[00:49:00] Toltec spirituality, and somatic experiencing psychology as well. So that can look like, those sessions can look like, well, I call them transformation games. So in general, it looks like us. Maybe in the context of a container over the course of time in a program, or it can just be a one-off, you know, situation.
Something that we want to accomplish or solve. Setting up an idea of what is a block or an obstacle or a problem, something that you're experiencing in life right now that seems like it's holding you back or not creating the experience that you want to have. And then we play a game which uses any of those different tools.
That I described to help you to overcome that thing, whether that could be experiencing something that needs to. That wants to be released or integrating an old experience, clearing up something in your belief system or just getting clear on a problem, you know, finding a solution. And [00:50:00] then I also do relationship counseling or consulting as I prefer to think of it with my intentional autonomous relating system.
So that's really. A system that's designed again to help people get clear about their relationships, what they are now, or what they'd like them to be. And it's a system of communication which both helps people to relate better with each other, to just have a happier, more functional relationship. And also kind of to, um, rewire or reprogram.
Patterns of relating that tend to lead to codependency and drama and,the situations that causes pain and suffering. So yeah, those are my three main programs and it typically looks like sessions that are about 90 minutes to two hours long meeting over a period of time while we kind of work together to achieve some goals.
Tianna: I can attest that Vision is a great facilitator. And I'll also say that when we first met, we looked at his chart and I was like, oh, look at all [00:51:00] this Virgo. And I think that that Virgo. Energy creates a lot of, precision in his, the work that he does as well as like people like me that don't have a lot of, earth in their chart, don't have a lot of grounding.
I think a lot of woo people, we, it's helpful for us to partner with people that have more earth. Energy, to ground us, you know? So again, like there's like a nice harmony that comes. There's this working, whether you're looking for a facilitator or a collaborator or friendship, whatnot.
the balance of energies can be beneficial if you can honor the differences versus having the difference differences clash. So can you tell people, where they can best connect with you?
Vision: Yeah, I would love it for people to check out my website [00:52:00] at I Evolve Life LIFE. And then if you're interested in Intentional Evolution, specifically the event series that's at Intentional Evolution Live l Ive.
And yeah, please, uh, check out my podcast on my website. You'll find all the links that you need to find me on Spotify, on YouTube, and find all of the content and the programs that I discussed.
Tianna: Yeah. And I know like the workshop that I went to, you were also sort of live streaming it, so there's people who aren't in the Austin area can still attend these activities as well.
Mm-hmm. And the podcast, I'll put a link to the podcast and the episode that I was on. So people can reference, like you said, we've had some of this conversation where we talked about transformation or was that our topic?
Vision: Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was. Okay. Uhhuh,
Tianna: it's been a little while now and so, yeah. yeah, we had a really fun, long, deep [00:53:00] conversation, that I'll link to as well.
Is there anything that you have upcoming that you want to share with the listeners or anything that you want to particularly focus on before we come to a close today?
Vision: We're pretty much wrapped up with intentional evolution live events for the year. We just did this really big solar punk summit experience.
It was like a four day mini festival within the festival. Uh, that was kind of like our big bang of intentional evolution for the year. So we'll be back in 2026. The next, uh, live event has yet to be scheduled. But you can definitely go to Intentional Evolution Live and check out actually the archives of our past events where we've got videos of the presentations and slide decks and other resources so you can catch up and it'll almost be like you were there.
And then, yeah, beyond that, I would really love it if people would check out the podcast, especially like the [00:54:00] episode that you and I did just to get a flavor of what the Intentional Evolution podcast is all about. That is definitely, um, a. Something that I'm continuing to produce regularly right now and, and, I'm really excited about the conversations that we're having.
Would love for people to check that out.
Tianna: Wonderful. Thanks so much for making the time today. It's been really great.
Vision: Yeah, you too, Tianna. It was a really, really fun conversation for me. I really enjoyed it.